Has anyone that has had the latest flash update been told prior by the dealer that it would deactivate the pilot injection?

I was not and thats why I'm so mad. My rough idle was not bad enough for me to give up pilot injection...

Have a friend who is a service tech and he printed out a sheet from fordtechservice.dealerconnection.com after the fact that states:

Note: This calibration update will:

• Deactivate the pilot injection feature which operates only at warm idle conditions.
• Significantly improve engine idle stability/smoothness and cold driveaway performance.
• Slightly increase the engine sound level at warm idle, which is a normal operating characteristic of diesel engines.

The last bullet point just burns my butt!!!!

But overall I still love my 6.0.

 

How can you tell if you have pilot injection or not...Just by the way it sounds before and after? Are the newest/latest trucks not coming with it? and if not, when did they stop putting it in/using it...I bought my second 6.0 Oct 03...I'm sure it has a Sept build date.

 

Ok, I agree that a 2003 model 6.0 was advertised as having pilot injection, and that elimination of it has ramifications. NOW does anyone know if a 2004 model 6.0 is/was still advertised as having pilot injection??? If not, then many of the arguments against Ford for removing this feature may only apply to the 2003 model year.... That would be disappointing, as the 2004 truck I ordered may not EVER be expected to have the pilot injection working

 

Thanks alot for your reply canuck, really appreciate your opinions, they make alot of sense.

Its nice to see that theres alot of us that are not impressed with Fords thievery. I complained to Ford customer service about 2 months ago and got no response to my questions. I guess thats to be expected from what I hear from other peoples dealings with them. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens or one of us will have to take it to our states attorney general and see what happens. If i remember correctly the AG`s don"t like when auto dealers/manufacturers sell defective products, especially ones that are possible accidents waiting to happen like some 6.0's are appearing to be.

Thanks to all for your posts. Take care, John

 

wilba504,
thanks for the compliment, appreciate that.
I do not think your truck engine is inherently defective, not at all. International has a reputation for building good truck engines, as does Cummins and Isuzu. The problem is the vehicle manufacturers that take a basically good engine and then put their own stuff on top or around it.
Look at the Duramax diesel for instance: a really sweet running engine, but GM insisted on putting aluminium heads on it. Due to the extreme working pressures in a diesel and the inherent problems of cavitation, I just wonder when we are going to see massive failures of these heads after considerable mileage. Understand me correctly: I hope these engines are not going to have any problems whatsoever; I am just concerned.
Now, to your 6.0L engine: I feel the design is inherently sound, but there are problems with it for the moment. One of the things Ford did to minimize possible damage is to disable Pilot Injection. While, as a 6.0L owner I would be quite ticked off, I would also have to give Ford credit for trying to fix the problem and take pre-cautionary measures in the interim. Certainly, Ford took one of the selling features for the new 6.0L away from you and in essence downgraded your truck.
Consider that trucks are one of the major revenue producers for Ford. Also consider that Ford sells more trucks than any other NA manufacturer. Further consider that the diesel options in trucks is really the advertising highlight for the NA truck manufacturers.
It stands to reason that a lot of dedicated engineers are burning the midnight oil at Ford to correct the problems that exist with your engine.
I have certainly had my share of problems with Ford over the last 20 years. However, in the end, Ford always stepped up to the plate and made good. For instance, in one case (my sons truck) that meant taking a truck back, and upgrading it to a newer model with more features at no cost. Ford, in my opinion is trying hard to be a good corporate citizen; you just have to give them the chance.
For what it's worth..... Regards