Security Devices
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Security Devices
I am posting this question here because the dealer told me that the Securilock™* Anti-Theft Ignition (PATS) keys caused problems with the PSD engine. If this is so do all dead man switches cause problems with the engine or only this type? Does anyone have a security device on their PSD truck?
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Yes...
the PATS system is stock... and the Ford Gold Remote with alarm was added...
now I just was told yesterday by my svc writer that the Ford add on had to disable or at least work around the PATS system and this caused my automatic seat and mirror setting function of the remote to stop working !!!
I like my svc writer and all so I said HHHMMMM - let me check into that...
I think my skirt is blowing up around me head on this one !!!
the PATS system is stock... and the Ford Gold Remote with alarm was added...
now I just was told yesterday by my svc writer that the Ford add on had to disable or at least work around the PATS system and this caused my automatic seat and mirror setting function of the remote to stop working !!!
I like my svc writer and all so I said HHHMMMM - let me check into that...
I think my skirt is blowing up around me head on this one !!!
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From: FLA
Originally Posted by jdadamsjr
Yes...
the PATS system is stock... and the Ford Gold Remote with alarm was added...
now I just was told yesterday by my svc writer that the Ford add on had to disable or at least work around the PATS system and this caused my automatic seat and mirror setting function of the remote to stop working !!!
I like my svc writer and all so I said HHHMMMM - let me check into that...
I think my skirt is blowing up around me head on this one !!!
the PATS system is stock... and the Ford Gold Remote with alarm was added...
now I just was told yesterday by my svc writer that the Ford add on had to disable or at least work around the PATS system and this caused my automatic seat and mirror setting function of the remote to stop working !!!
I like my svc writer and all so I said HHHMMMM - let me check into that...
I think my skirt is blowing up around me head on this one !!!
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OK guys help the old guy out, I am clueless about this subject…….and no comments from the peanut gallery about what else I am clueless on……
Now on to this, I have a rudimentary understanding on the “key” thing …….but…
Time to learn!
Now on to this, I have a rudimentary understanding on the “key” thing …….but…
Time to learn!
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From: FLA
Originally Posted by Tim Lamkin
OK guys help the old guy out, I am clueless about this subject…….and no comments from the peanut gallery about what else I am clueless on……
Now on to this, I have a rudimentary understanding on the “key” thing …….but…
Time to learn!
Now on to this, I have a rudimentary understanding on the “key” thing …….but…
Time to learn!
P = Passive
A = Anti
T = Theft
S = System
The system uses an encrypted transponder built into the key. What happens basically is the the on board computer and the key use a RF signal to communicate that it is the correct key and all is well. You need special equipment to make one of the keys (dealer only key). When I bought my truck I said I want more keys evne though I have the keyless entry panel and was told I don't need it as the key is not a PATS key.
My understanding is there are a couple types of PATS systems out but this is the basic theory.
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From: Fairbanks, AK
My sister had a remote start system installed in her Escape. With the PATS, the installer had to hide/install a key with the chip inside the steering column so the remote start would work without the key in the ignition. I guess this defeats the purpose of the PATS, but at least now she can use her remote start. We don't have a high vehicle theft rate here in Alaska, so she will probably be OK.
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My new F250 does not have it but my F150 did. I could not get it with the diesel engine. If the key uses a RF signal maybe this is the problem. Any systems without the RF signal? I would like to find that wafer chip they used to have in the 90s that you plugged into the vehicle like a cartridge in order to start it.
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PATS key.
Since I live in an area of moderate risk, the PATS system was part of my decision. The Excursion has the system and the F250/350 does not. The Excursion also has options for memory seats and automatic climate control.
Why Ford can't put automatic climate control on a tricked-out $60k truck like the King Ranch, I don't know. I required movable pedals, otherwise I would have considered a 2500HD from GMC ... which has dual zone even.
Why Ford can't put automatic climate control on a tricked-out $60k truck like the King Ranch, I don't know. I required movable pedals, otherwise I would have considered a 2500HD from GMC ... which has dual zone even.
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From: Oshawa/Ontario/Canada
PSD and PATS
Originally Posted by Tadashi
Does your excursion have PSD? The dealer told me since I chose the F250 PSD PATS was not even an option.
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Well I am moving to Ft. Bliss this summer and trucks (mostly Chevys and GMCs and Honda civics are high on the theft list, but Ford is still on there just way down). I figure a King Ranch 250 would make a nice prize to someone across the border. Anyone have any options compatible to diesel engines for security that I can look at since PATS is out of the question now?
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Originally Posted by purplewg
Here ya go Tim.
P = Passive
A = Anti
T = Theft
S = System
The system uses an encrypted transponder built into the key. What happens basically is the the on board computer and the key use a RF signal to communicate that it is the correct key and all is well. You need special equipment to make one of the keys (dealer only key). When I bought my truck I said I want more keys evne though I have the keyless entry panel and was told I don't need it as the key is not a PATS key.
My understanding is there are a couple types of PATS systems out but this is the basic theory.
P = Passive
A = Anti
T = Theft
S = System
The system uses an encrypted transponder built into the key. What happens basically is the the on board computer and the key use a RF signal to communicate that it is the correct key and all is well. You need special equipment to make one of the keys (dealer only key). When I bought my truck I said I want more keys evne though I have the keyless entry panel and was told I don't need it as the key is not a PATS key.
My understanding is there are a couple types of PATS systems out but this is the basic theory.
Purp..thanks,
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From: FLA
Originally Posted by Tadashi
Well I am moving to Ft. Bliss this summer and trucks (mostly Chevys and GMCs and Honda civics are high on the theft list, but Ford is still on there just way down). I figure a King Ranch 250 would make a nice prize to someone across the border. Anyone have any options compatible to diesel engines for security that I can look at since PATS is out of the question now?
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From: Oshawa/Ontario/Canada
Originally Posted by purplewg
The problem is none of these will defeat a tow truck.........
With 4 wheel drive and a 7000 lb curb weight, a super duty truck isn't something the little tow trucks can pick up easily. Problem is that they have to get all 4 wheels off the ground... and the common tow truck in the fleet that patrols downtown isn't rated or equiped for it. They just refuse, if asked.
They can always call for a bigger truck, but most larger tow trucks can make more money doing real work ... and by the time they get downtown ... you're gone ...