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Old May 22, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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The specs in that chart are way too generic. For one the the 351C weighs significantly less and is shorter & narrower than the 351M/400.
 
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Old May 22, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8enginesizes.html

orhttp://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine.html
 

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Old May 22, 2004 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fordeverpower
calazo, you are crazy if you think a 351w is better for performance than a 400. But if you want better gas mileage its the way to go.

Engine sizes!!!!

http://classictruckshop.com/engine_sizes.asp


And yes I know the 351c wasn't in trucks!
The 351C was in trucks. It was sold in F100's in Australia and New Zealand up till early 1983 when the local supply finally ran out. You could also get the local 302C in the F100.

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Old May 22, 2004 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 73XAFalcon
The 351C was in trucks. It was sold in F100's in Australia and New Zealand up till early 1983 when the local supply finally ran out. You could also get the local 302C in the F100.

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what is a 302c? and Australia doesn't count!
 
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Old May 22, 2004 | 07:15 PM
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302c? tis a new one maybe
 
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Old May 22, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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302C is an Australian only engine. 302C heads are the "Aussie heads" that everyone drools over because they have the smaller ports and closed combustion chamber.
 
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Old May 22, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fordeverpower
what is a 302c? and Australia doesn't count!
302C is an Aussie built motor. Basically a destroked 351C, 3" stroke just like a 302W up here. The quite importing 302W's in 1971 and started producing the 302C to cut costs. The 302C and 351C were then produced on the same line and from the same castings. The pistons are the same, crank and rods are different. The heads are a closed chamber 2V head. And, yes Australia does count when your talking Ford trucks. Those F100's were produced here in the States. The trucks were shipped to Oz in CKD to be finished in RHD plus have the local drivetrain installed. So, everyone of those trucks helped Ford US win the No.1 truck sales title.

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Old May 24, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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i have a 351 windsor with block numbers d9ae-6015-ed-23
i know d is 70's and 9 is year.

would like to know the rest. ford is not much help.

all the experts out there, someone shold know.
 
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Old May 24, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by myddad
i have a 351 windsor with block numbers d9ae-6015-ed-23
i know d is 70's and 9 is year.

would like to know the rest. ford is not much help.

all the experts out there, someone shold know.

"A" is for Full Size Ford, "E" is for Engine, 6015 is the Basic Part #. I've never seen a suffix like ED 23. Normally the suffix is something like ED2B or GA or even a single letter. It denotes a revision to the original casting.
 
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Old May 25, 2004 | 05:55 PM
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thank you bill

getting a little closer.

full size would be like an ltd i think or some kind of lincoln
 
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Old May 25, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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also i know it is not a truck engine, it has a double dip oil pan where you can't get at the front one, if in a truck, and do thank anyone that helps

michael
 
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Old May 25, 2004 | 06:28 PM
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thanking again

ed23 could be ed2b

i had somone read the numbers for me, cause i am too old

the B could look like a 3
 
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Old May 25, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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Australia had all kinds of goodies for Fords because they didn't have the EPA leaning on them.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 05:06 PM
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Just for the record,289 and 351 were built in Windsor Canada. 303 and 351 c were built in Cleveland. Windsor ran out of 289 blocks in 1969. Used 302 base blocks and put 289 guts in them. The 351 c was nothung more than competition between engineering rivals. The sam year,they found a wharehouae full of 289 blocks with orevious years stamps. 69 was a sloppy tear for verifying enfines. Cleveland didnt build 289. Windsor never built 302. There is onky 1 true windsor. And thats a 351w.
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Well to start off with the 351 Windsor is bassed off the 302 with the main difference is the 1/2" longer stroke but is still has the 4" bore like the 289 and 302. This makes the engine height taller so it has its own unique intake manifold that only fits a 351W.
Heads can be interchanged. The valve covers have 6 bolts one them.
The 351 Cleavland has a block of its own. It has staggered valves with 8 bolts to the valve covers. The front of the engine has a housing casted on it for timing chain and gears. The heads on them were two basic kinds, two barrel heads and four barrel heads. The size of the ports and valves were the difference with the 4-barrell's being larger to breath better.
The 351 M shares the same block as the 400. The 351 M is a 400 block with a 351 Windsor crank in it. The 351 M has taller cylinders so it has a wider intake on it than the 351 C. I guess the 351M was a result of the Windsor plant couldn't keep up with a demand or so I've heard. The Cleavelands were designed to have heads that breath better than the FE's and small blocks. I have one of each of these except the 351 C, and they are all great engines. It doesn't take much to wake up a Cleaveland.
Also the 351 Windsor has the same transmission bolt pattern as the 302. The 351M has the bolt pattern as the 429/460. Theres the differences in a nutshell.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 07:12 PM
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for the record it's C l e v e l a n d
 
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