I read somewhere that Excursion was going to stick around for a another year or two and Ford was planning on a extended version of the Expy after the Excursion was gone. Anybody have pics or further info?

 

I've read the same thing. I think it makes sense if they get rid of the Excursion and offer a V10 or diesel with it.

 

I would like to see some pics. I'll be lookin for a trade in next year. I would like a extended version but without the $50-60 fill ups at the pump.

 

Wouldn't make any sense if they ditched the current Excursion platform and stuck the old engines in a new platform. Financially speaking. Just upgrade the current Excursion.

Plus, the current Expy Platform wouldn't support the weight of either one of those engines. Nor do I thin kthe market would accept the current V10 in it either...

Look for different engines (updated versions or maybe all new ones) in a stretched Expedition. I wouldn't hold your breath too long though. Can't imagine anything showing up for at least 2-3 years.

 

I can see Ford making a diesel available in the expy in the future, but thats just my opinion.

 

Well with a diesel for the F150 in the works, the Expy won't be far behind.

 

Ford has ben sticking "old" engines in new platforms for years. The 351W and 460 were developed in the 60s and found themselves in several different vehicles made over a 30 year period so it's hardly a stretch for Ford to put a 10 year old engine in a new car. Ford is already cutting production of the Excursion by 25% due to lesser demand for the truck. Oddly enough, demand for the other SD trucks is up. The current Expy would EASILY support the weight of a V10 (it's not much heavier than a 5.4) and if a Suburban can be made to carry a heavy, boat anchor 6.9 diesel (they don't offer it anymore however), then Ford can put a much lighter 6.0 diesel in an Expy. Ever see a Fox-bodied Mustang converted to a 460? The weight of the engine isn't nearly as much of a concern as is drivetrain longevity. Not a showstopper.

 

Alrighty, I see your point about reusing engines. Sure, it is done all the time but my reasoning behind my statement was "financially speaking". If Ford wants to keep an 8-9 passenger, heavy towing SUV in their lineup, it would be cheaper to upgrade the Excursion.

With the Hummer H2 and others taking the heat from the treehugging-hate-the-SUV crowd, now would be a good time to consider upgrading the Excursion.

However, one caveat...the tow behind RV market is not near what the 5th wheel market & motorhome market is! So the Excursion's abilites could be somewhat un-needed in the new marketplace.

Oh and...

6.9 diesel in a Suburban?? Engines were a 6.2L & a 6.5L Detriot Diesels.

So, sure anybody can stuff practically anything into something... (*whew*...hell of a sentance!)

I just doubt that we will EVER see the V10 or a current 6.0L diesel in an Expedition. (Oh, and the V10 outwieghs the 5.4L by about 300lbs.)

Anyway, my post above said "the current Expy Platform wouldn't support the weight of either one of those engines". With upgraded springs and a stretch to the wheelbase, new tires and such then maybe it'll work with it. But not without upgrades and using either one of those engines creates a new market for the truck. HEAVY TOWING. I do not think the current Expedition, no matter what the engine, will ever have the towing ability of the Excursion.

Sure they can do it but...

1. I do not think the buying public would go for a V10 Expedition.

2. Every PSD made goes into an already sold (for the most part) Super Duty. Ability to produce more could be difficult given the current demand of Diesel powered Super Dutys.

3. Since the diesel's (and V10) claim to fame is towing. Most folks that need the ability of the diesel will not find the IRS setup on the Expy condusive to towing the loads that they (the engines) can move. Plus, I don't think it meets emission for the GVWR that the Expedition chassis currently is. But the V10 does. AND, it would require the TRQshift for the diesel that WILL NOT fit in the Expy. So a new tranny would be needed.

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Hell, this is all speculation anyway! Ford made up their mind about 2 years ago about either a stretched Expy or an upgraded Excursion and are currently testing something!

 

I would definatly upgrade to a diesel expedition if they come out with 1. Also would not mind a little more room for cargo. I tried for several months to find a diesel excursion but everything I found was a limited or had been abused. I got the expedition for about half the price of the limited excursion. I realy like my expedition but would like the diesel upgrade.

 

While a few would like to see a diesel in the Expy, I doubt it will ever happen. Most (overwhelming majority) buy an Expy to haul kids and golf clubs, not big trailers, boats, etc. The 5.4L 3V is probably the most powerful engine the current Expy will ever see.

 

I have seen the extended Expedition in Dearborn Mi,(it's against Ford's policy to take pics). The length is around 18" longer give or take a few inches. It had a third door on each side that was opened with the handle toward the front and the hinge toward the back. I believe this will provide easier access to the third row seat.
As far as the Expy getting a diesel engine my hunch is that WILL happen,the question is more a matter of WHEN rather than IF. With gas prices on the rise perhaps buyers will opt to spend the extra bucks to save on fuel and the extra power to increase the tow rating. With a longer wheelbase it would make sense to offer a more powerfull engine.

Fred

 

Diesels are good.. First is for better fuel...but they are also tougher and even though more expensive(oil changes around $60.00 every 6000 miles compaired to the average 3500 miles and $17.00 for gas). Would I buy a light duty to haul with? NO WAY. My 5.4 uses that gas to pull our trailer unloaded and really sucks it with a horse in it but it pulls it with ease. You put a V6 deisel pulling a trailer and your going to have alot of problems with engine strain. And people are going to think just because its a deisel they are going to beable to pull things just as good as the heavy duty. Which wont be the case. We will be getting a F250 powerstroke in about 3 years (yes a long way to think ahead) but because we pull alot and by that time my son will be riding with us, we will need a bigger trailer for more horses and be hauling longer distances and the deisel economically just fits that plan.

 

My 5.4 tows fine with the loads I carry. I would just like the extra mileage out of a diesel and would like the third door on each side. It is difficult to use the third seat for anyone other than small kids.

 

Diesels are going to be in more and more vehicles.
Chrysler is putting on in the Jeep Liberty
GM is working on one for the Saturn VUE and Chevy Equanox
The added fuel economy is something that the public wants.

As for the V10 in an EXPY
I don't think you will ever see it. Im my past life I was on a R&D team for FORD. Ford wanted to put the V-10 in the F-series/Expedition as badly as you want it. We acctually build a couple. The problem has nothing to do with the chassis handleing the power. The issue was cooling. There was not enough air flow. The engine was tight agains the fire wall and tight to the core support. They were forced to use electric fans (No room for belt driven unit). and still could not keep it cool with out special means.

 

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Let me know what you guys think.