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Truthfull Info!
I always want to be educated and know the facts. So lets take up diesel vs. gas. I know the truth based on talking to a friend who owns a 6 liter psd f250 crew cab 4x4. I own the same truck but gas v10. Mixed driving mileage for him 14mpg, I get 11 mpg. strictly highway he gets 17, I get 13. This supports the fact that diesels get about 30% better gas mileage. Now I seek the TRUTH from someone who has done a towing power test. Same trailer, same grade, once pulled with diesel, once pulled with with gasser. Who goes up faster and how much faster? I have some idea based on reading posts towing data provided by ford and talking to people pulling somewhat similar scenarios. I want the TRUTH as close to scientific as I can get. I just want to know if the extra speed up hills is that much better, then I might want to get a diesel and put up with the exta noise and oily gas pumps.In my eyes the mileage savings verses cost up front is a push.
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Wouldn't it take about 25+ years of driving to recoupe the $5,000.00 cost of the diesel option in fuel savings?
For ease of math lets just say that you save $200.00 per year burning diesel vs. gas. $5,000 divided by $200 (per year fuel savings) equals 25 years to get that $5,000 back.
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Someone is bound to tell you to use the "SEARCH FUNCTION" to reseach your question since there is a lot of diesel vs. gas info already posted.
For ease of math lets just say that you save $200.00 per year burning diesel vs. gas. $5,000 divided by $200 (per year fuel savings) equals 25 years to get that $5,000 back.
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Someone is bound to tell you to use the "SEARCH FUNCTION" to reseach your question since there is a lot of diesel vs. gas info already posted.
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The fuel cost argument is a wash. The savings that one has, is not that of others. It may take you 25 years it will only take me four. The facts are out there. The hole argument is a wash. There are so many variables. Who you are, how you drive, were you drive, weather, terrain, fuel cost in your area. One can not say the other is better. It's a mater of want and need. Not even need, most the time it's want. In most case's both motors will more than meet one's need. Only you know what many of the variabels will be. Only you can do the math. As for the simple questionWho will pull faster. The guy that gives it more gas that's who.. Unless you are both so loaded down that the trucks have no more get up and go. In which case it will probably be the PSD but if the that load is so common and you have maxed out two great motors. You have other problems.
Ok I am done.
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I have the 6.0 diesel. MY fuel milge wasnt as good as most, usually about 11-12 MPG aroun town and up 17.9 on the highway. the money that is saved in fuel milage is usually spent on an oil change (about 15 quarts) the diesel does shine though when pulling hevier loads. The diesel is eiser to upgrade 100 HP can be bought for about $400. this also includes about 250 lbft of torque. the diesel engine is suppost to last alot longer, but I've seen gassers go 300,000 miles I just dont think they pull heavy loads everyday and last that long. With the predator installed in the 65 HP setting I am getting 15 MPG in stop and go rush hour traffic in St. Louis. I say go to the dealership and test drive both empty and loaded and then make your decision. I didnt need diesel just wanted it after test driving it. I wouldnt trade it for any gasser.
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Originally posted by jaygos
It's a mater of want and need. Not even need, most the time it's want.
It's a mater of want and need. Not even need, most the time it's want.
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My experience. I have seen several gas engines pull loads just as heavy, just as fast as diesels. Most recently, a Chevy 2500 with a 350 vs a Dodge 2500 with a Cummins. Both were pullin tag alongs with four four wheelers. The diesel had a bit of an edge on takeoff, but thats it.
Diesels are built more robust. They can handle more abuse. If you do a large amount of heavy towing, you are better off with the diesel. Not because of power or towing capability, simply by design.
Diesels are built more robust. They can handle more abuse. If you do a large amount of heavy towing, you are better off with the diesel. Not because of power or towing capability, simply by design.
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From: Kodiak USA
Originally posted by jaygos
There are so many variables. Who you are, how you drive, were you drive, weather, terrain, fuel cost in your area... Only you know what many of the variabels will be.
There are so many variables. Who you are, how you drive, were you drive, weather, terrain, fuel cost in your area... Only you know what many of the variabels will be.
In a properly run expirement it's not a wash...it will take you years to recoup your $5,000 diesel option in the form of fuel savings.
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I just ran the numbers through an excel spreadsheet and at my current prices $1.61 for diesel, $1.65for gas, fuel costs only would be $.11/mile=diesel, $.17/mile=V10. This is figuring 10 mpg for v10 and 15 for diesel. you can change things to say whatever you want. I need a 3/4 ton for my job. Actually figurung 15000 miles a year I would gain $4,325 from fuel savings over five years with a diesel. Resale is what people often overlook and in my region a diesel will retain more value than a v10. Any way I know this arguement will never end and I am probably going to buy a used v10, even though in the long run it may cost me more but I have to lay out less money right now. Maybe in five years I can swing a diesel.
