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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 01:15 PM
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Some scientists have said that the sun will explode in about a billion years. Tom Daschel and Joe Liberman say that Bush knows about this and is keeping it from us.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 01:27 PM
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>Some scientists have said that the sun will explode in about
>a billion years. Tom Daschel and Joe Liberman say that Bush
>knows about this and is keeping it from us.
>Dono


Yuk Yuk Yuk!!

Seems everything is Bush's fault these days.

I figured it was only a matter of time before the Senate liberals blamed Bush for not preventing 9-11.

At a time like this when we should all be working together against terrorism, POLITICS rears it's ugly head!

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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 05:53 PM
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lol!

a ad in the free press said that sperm in males is decreasing. inturn in about 3 million years the human race will be extinct
 
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 09:51 PM
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>lol!
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>a ad in the free press said that sperm in males is
>decreasing. inturn in about 3 million years the human race
>will be extinct

Damn Bush!!! And the lawn mower battery was dead today too, and want to know what your going to do about it???

As far as the sun thing goes, I really don't think it will be a problem for me or mine.



 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 06:12 AM
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>>Some scientists have said that the sun will explode in about
>>a billion years. Tom Daschel and Joe Liberman say that Bush
>>knows about this and is keeping it from us.
>>Dono
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>
>Yuk Yuk Yuk!!
>
>Seems everything is Bush's fault these days.
>
>I figured it was only a matter of time before the Senate
>liberals blamed Bush for not preventing 9-11.
>
>At a time like this when we should all be working together
>against terrorism, POLITICS rears it's ugly head!
>

I realize this is sarcasm at it's finest, but you'd be amazed how few people in this country(or from what Vampiro and Mil1ion say,Canada) actually use their head and think about what politicians say. It's both sad and scary. Sad because these people are so easily duped and scary because they VOTE! And the liberals FEED on them. What thinking person actually believes Bush secretly knew all about 9-11 and did nothing about it so he could unite the country behind him and gain popularity in the polls. Sounds like a bad Tom Clancy rough draft.
I'm done, I'll get off the soapbox now. My shoulders kinda sore anyway from crawling around under my truck. I believe Sen. Dachsund uh, Daschel knew about that tranny leak,yet did nothing. Now I believe I'm due some kind of government aid to fix my trans, even though I KNEW excessive use and milage on my vehicle would one day cause a trans leak. And I bought the truck anyway. I am a victim....

LOL

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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 07:58 AM
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-Jun-02 AT 09:14 AM (EST)]Bush may not have known about any of it ahead of time, but don't you think it seems odd that when he was talking about the FBI/CIA screw-ups the other day he was chuckling? He is a lousy public speaker, kind of slurs his speech like a drunk, but I have never seen him laugh at something serious like this. Now, after the headlines read FBI/CIA don't cooperate with each other and screw things up, Bush comes out with this hilarious plan to reorganize government to make people think he is actually doing something about it. He is embarassed by the fact that these people screwed up, and that is a result of his poor leadership ability and his lack of communication with his people. Now it's time to baffle everyone into a sense of national achievement with some more BS. I am starting to regret wanting him in office. He may have been better than Gore, but that's not saying much. It is time to stop voting for the lesser of 2 evils and get some worthwhile people in government. We always seem to find the least desirable people and give them the most desirable jobs. If government service didn't pay so well, the only people running would be the people that wanted to make a difference. I think it's time for a poor man to be in office. The wealthy have been there for years and can't get anything done.

One more thing. Although a lot of things that happen may not be Bush's fault, they are his responsibility. By accepting the Presidency, he is assuming responsibility for the entire nation, and he needs to start acting that way.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 08:12 AM
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>He is embarassed by the fact that these people screwed up,
>and that is a result of his poor leadership ability and his
>lack of communication with his people.

Sure he's embarassed by that fact, so am I. And so should anyone that gives a damn about our country and who we have in charge of our security. But blaming this on his "lack of leadership" is, to put it kindly, very shortsighted. The CIA and FBI have never gotten along. Law enforcement agencies in general have had a long and well documented history of lack of cooperation, no matter what the issue. I suppose that is Bush's fault too? He isn't the best speaker I admit. We just went through 8 years of one of the best speakers (read BS artist) this country has ever seen. I, for one, am glad to see that era end and shudder when I think of Clinton (or for that matter, Algore) handling the 9/11 aftermath.

As far as a poor man in the White House, that will never happen. As much as we think we'd like to see it, it takes too high a profile person to get elected in the first place. And the last person we had that resembled anything like the "common man" was Jimmy Carter. Nuff said!!

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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 09:44 AM
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Further response to Enduringexplorer's edit:
I agree with your last statement. Anyone that accepts an office is accepting responsibilty for that office and reaps the rewards AND failures of his/her predecessor. Bush is our president, and as such is ultimately responsible for all that has gone on, good or bad. Like it or not, "the buck stops here" is very true when it comes to the president. Given the scale of the loss on 9/11, any inkling of foreknowledge without a corresponding action to prevent it is unthinkable. On the other hand, how much disinformation is spread every day? How many rumors are started just for the hell of it? I can imagine our government trying to track down and thwart every piece of information that even remotely hints at terrorist activity. I can also imagine the chaos this would create with law enforcement agencies already overtaxed. I think Bush has and continues to act responsibly. His response to the cowardly acts was well thought out and based on the advice of years of foreign diplomacy and military strategy. There was no "rush to retaliate". Sure I wish he would do more, could be a better speaker, etc. There are times that I cringe when he makes a speech. But I've always heard it said that a good leader surrounds himself with good people. Bush has done just that. And he's been blasted as a "less than intelligent" leader because he seeks their advice. I applaud his honesty in admitting he needs help and advice. And I feel better about the hands my country is in when I know that it's not just one finger poised over that button, but the conciousness of some of the best minds our country has to offer.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 10:11 AM
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This is what really gets me is that everyone is blaming Bush. BUT all this dates back to the Clinton era and what was done back then NOTHING!!! Clinton Appointed Gore as head of airline security all the issues were brought up to him in the past and GORE shot them all done I would like to see where Gore USED all the MILLIONS of OUR TAX $$$$ for airline security. Look at the dates all these aligations and warnings came out it was before Bush got into office. The FBI /CIA never agreed on anything and local law enforcement doesn't even get along with the Fed's. Both Federal law agencies saw the warning signs but NO ONE EVER BELIEVED something like 9-11 would ever happen everyday those offices are investagating thousands of threats to the USA and alot of them turn out to be nothing. Think about it if you saw something that said people are going to hi-jack 4 jets all at the sametime and crash them into buildings your first reaction would probably be YA RIGHT they would never be able to pull it off. Well they did. Another thing that was asked of Gore was stricter security of passengers but he SHOT IT DOWN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A INCONVIENCE TO THE PASSENGERS. OH BOO HOO Plus they asked for stronger ****-pit doors ANOTHER IDEA SHOT DOWN BY GORE along with sky marshalls there always were sky marshalls and the Clinton Admin cut back on them saying they weren't really needed. When Clinton and Gore left office
do you believe they told Bush and his people everything HELL NO.
I could go on about this but it just gets me more p'ed off so I will leave where it is at
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 11:16 AM
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-Jun-02 AT 12:19 PM (EST)]hotwhlz85, AZ4x4f150,
I have to agree with you about the bad info that circulates, and the thought that something like this could happen. I would have never thought, given our technology and government, that this could have turned into something so devastating. The lack of communication between agencies is sickening. They still have this competitive instinct-don't tell them, that way we get all the credit. Oops, backfire!! I do believe that it is the people around Bush that have gotten things done, and I commend him for choosing who he did, particularly Colin Powell. I really admire Powell. I hope I didn't make anyone think I blamed Bush for anything. I just wanted to point out how some actions and events make it seem like something just isn't right. Maybe some of this info got to Bush and he thought, like a lot of us do, that this could never happen. He is human, and if that actually happened, you couldn't really blame him. Maybe not. I can't imagine anyone having any kind of real info about 9/11 in advance and not doing anything about it. The thing I don't agree with is this reorganization of the government he has planned. I think it is just a ploy to draw attention to something that seems positive. That is what I was referring to when I made my comment about lack of leadership, not the 9/11 mess, or the CIA/FBI problem. I guess it didn't read that well.

Talking about this stuff gets me angry, also. Like I said, I am not blaming Bush, but the way the parties have to argue all of the time doesn't make sense. The Democrats are trying to find a way to make the Republicans look bad, and the Republicans are denying everything saying it is just the Democrats way of making them look bad. If the roles were reversed, the same thing would be happening. Politicians are supposed to represent us, but they don't. They represent what ever puts the most money in their pockets. Nobody wants to get together and help average Joe. They are too worried about themselves, protecting their jobs and making themselves look needed. If politics didn't pay so well, we would be better off. We keep electing people that vote themselves huge pay raises. Gee, I want a raise, too!!
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 11:38 AM
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And on that post my friend, I couldn't agree more.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 11:43 AM
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Americans couldn't and wouldn't be prepared for something as evil as 9/11. We don't expect to be savagely attacked by some scumbag *******s, and rightfully so. We feed and take care of most of the world, try to improve conditions world-wide, and this is the thanks we got. Look at pakistan and India right now, if we shut off the food tap, there won't be war. I don't "blame" any American for what happened, we are just not built to think like demons. What disappoints me most about our current President is that he's trying to be a nice guy. I wish he'd appoint Buchanan to head immigration, and start really fighting this war. From what I see, most Americans don't want to even think about the fact that we ARE in a fight for our very existance, We are treatinng the terrorists like they are naughty puppies, all because of some lawyers. Bush knows that until there is a mushroom cloud over New York, people aren't going to get mad enough. We are soft, and the young people don't want to fight for their country. They would rather smoke dope and listen to Rap.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 04:19 PM
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No matter what Bush does he is wrong. I still hear about what a pain it is for people to get through security now at the airport. Can you imagine what it would have been like before 9/11? I agree with Chuck, we want to be subsidised for our repairs, We are victims!!!!

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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 09:00 PM
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>This is what really gets me is that everyone is blaming
>Bush. BUT all this dates back to the Clinton era and what
>was done back then NOTHING!!!

Glad you brought this up. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh a couple weeks ago and he brought up about how Clinton had atleast two chances to get Bin Laden, but didn't. Instead, he bombs an asprin factory during the impeachment hearings. What an *********! Bush is being attacked because the liberals can't find anything else to attack him on. Unlike *****, this man actually has morals and no closet full of skeletons.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 03:49 AM
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I think we all can agree about the lack of comunication and complacencey about what led up to 9/11. With all this concern about racial profileing do you think the F.B.I. held back because they were afraid of being accused of being racists? Political correctness is going to get us killed. The presidents white house press secretary was pulled out of line at the airport and searched. Here's a man with probably the most security clearence next to the president himself. This makes no sense. If I were standing next to him I wouldn't have a problem with airport security waveing him through. But are we to feel better knowing that everybody is equal suspect so nobody's feelings get hurt? Are we supposed to feel safer? Common sense tells me that some are just not suspect. And some are. And those that are seem to be middle eastern men between the ages of 17 and 40. But that would be racial profiling. HELLO! Take a look at who's trying to kill us. What nationality are they? What country's do they come from? We know that many are here illegaly. But when Ashcroft tries to do his job, liberal democrats, A.C.L.U. say he is being unfair.

The way I see it, one half of the country voted for Bush and the other for Gore. Congress is also just about evenly split. We know we are a nation political divided. So Bush has a hold of the reigns. Demorcrats on the left, Republicans on the right. But in order to get the team to going, Bush has to get them going in the same direction or nothing is going anywere. Not an easy job. But he has to start somewere. Not everybody is going to agree or be happy. What do we have now? Is it working? I think a little reorganization and common sense is in order.
 
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