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POW/MIA's
Greetings everyone, 
POW/MIA's....................
This subject has haunted me for many years.
Since this is still a "current event", I thought this might be the most appropriate forum to post this thread.
Though there are many "political" issues that surround this topic, my foremost intention is to post this as a tribute and remembrance for those who have not returned home.
You are not forgotten!
My uncle's cousin has been missing since 1967, when his plane was shot down over Plain De Jars, Loas. De-classified documents of the crash site investigation have shown there were no remains found.
His Mom and Dad have passed away, never knowing the fate of their son. His sister is still looking for answers
Here is Ronald's Bio:
http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/m025.html
Someone has "adopted" him as a POW/MIA, and created this very nice site:
http://www.silencewhispers.com/heros.htm
I was wondering how many of you know a POW/MIA, and what do you think the chances are that some of these "missing" people are still alive today?
I love my country, but I just can't understand why we can't bring these guys home.
To all who have served both past and present, THANK YOU!
POW/MIA's....................
This subject has haunted me for many years.
Since this is still a "current event", I thought this might be the most appropriate forum to post this thread.
Though there are many "political" issues that surround this topic, my foremost intention is to post this as a tribute and remembrance for those who have not returned home.
You are not forgotten!
My uncle's cousin has been missing since 1967, when his plane was shot down over Plain De Jars, Loas. De-classified documents of the crash site investigation have shown there were no remains found.
His Mom and Dad have passed away, never knowing the fate of their son. His sister is still looking for answers
Here is Ronald's Bio:
http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/m025.html
Someone has "adopted" him as a POW/MIA, and created this very nice site:
http://www.silencewhispers.com/heros.htm
I was wondering how many of you know a POW/MIA, and what do you think the chances are that some of these "missing" people are still alive today?
I love my country, but I just can't understand why we can't bring these guys home.
To all who have served both past and present, THANK YOU!
Last edited by Kenny; Feb 27, 2004 at 08:01 PM.
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It is sad that they died on foreign soil,never to be returned home to their families for closure.I don't know of any personally,I can only imagine what it would be like having a son or daughter missing and not knowing where they were.My heart goes out to all those families.They will definately not be forgotten.
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John,
For the ones proven to be deceased, I couldn't agree more! At the very least, these guys deserve to be buried on American soil!
What I find even more sad, is when a "presumptive finding of death" is put next to their name, with no proof that they are deceased. Especially when there is more evidence that could point to the fact thay may have survived, or could even still be alive.
My heart goes out to their families as well.
For the ones proven to be deceased, I couldn't agree more! At the very least, these guys deserve to be buried on American soil!
What I find even more sad, is when a "presumptive finding of death" is put next to their name, with no proof that they are deceased. Especially when there is more evidence that could point to the fact thay may have survived, or could even still be alive.
My heart goes out to their families as well.
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Sometime's it is not so easy to find them. I was involved in a recovery mission last year in the Aleutian Islands (Alaska), recovering the bodies of 6 soldiers who had crashed a PBY on the top of Kiska Island, trying to avoid Japanese fighters. They had been there since about 1943, covered in snow. Some biologist found the wreckage and reported it. The US Army spent the money and time to bring them home. They were in a very "remote" site and it was just fate that found them. Most will never be found. Don't blame the government for not finding the MIA's. It is a monumental task!
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hreed,
Congrats on finding those guys!
I can only imagine how tough it would be in that kind of terrain and weather, especially after some 60 years!
As to the MIA's.........
I am not anti-government in any way, but who is to blame?
I totally understand that it would be a monumental task (in most cases), but what really troubles me is the cases where they don't even bother to look!
For example:
Live sightings - either not followed up on, or eyewitnesses automatically discredited.
Search parties - cancelled for political reasons
Files - not made public
Families - kept in the dark for years
Again, Please don't get me wrong. I love my country, and I like our government, but I know things weren't handled "correctly" on this issue.
You have to admit, there are some differences in recovering 60 year old remains in our own country, -vs- MIA's from a foriegn country that we are not on the best of terms with.
To me, it's not a matter of looking for a needle in a haystack. It's more of a closing the barn door, and walking away.
Congrats on finding those guys!
I can only imagine how tough it would be in that kind of terrain and weather, especially after some 60 years!
As to the MIA's.........
I am not anti-government in any way, but who is to blame?
I totally understand that it would be a monumental task (in most cases), but what really troubles me is the cases where they don't even bother to look!
For example:
Live sightings - either not followed up on, or eyewitnesses automatically discredited.
Search parties - cancelled for political reasons
Files - not made public
Families - kept in the dark for years
Again, Please don't get me wrong. I love my country, and I like our government, but I know things weren't handled "correctly" on this issue.
You have to admit, there are some differences in recovering 60 year old remains in our own country, -vs- MIA's from a foriegn country that we are not on the best of terms with.
To me, it's not a matter of looking for a needle in a haystack. It's more of a closing the barn door, and walking away.
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i tend to agree with ya kenny, and unfortunately its not like a major voting block of people or the politicians would invest more resources to find the POW/MIAs I feel we owe it to the families and to the guys themselves who are POW/MIA to find either their remains or them no mattr what the cost they were there for US when the US needed them.. where is the US now?
I fly my POW/MIA flag alongside Old Glory and feel more people should maybe it will serve as a reminder to the powers that be that they are truly "Gone but not forgotten"
I fly my POW/MIA flag alongside Old Glory and feel more people should maybe it will serve as a reminder to the powers that be that they are truly "Gone but not forgotten"
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POW/MIA's
There are way to many that are unaccounted for but I should tell you that there is a novel called the Thai Horse and it might help explain to you what happenend to some. There is an area in Thailand that is called Dodge City by some and there are an awful lot of fiftyish white guys that live (run) the area and some of them are verrrry scarrry I spent some time there a hundred years ago and the supposition of the novel I mentioned seemed very plausible to me. I didn't have the guts to ? the men that I saw there and it really wasn't my business. Hope this helps a little.
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Originally posted by hreed
Sometime's it is not so easy to find them. I was involved in a recovery mission last year in the Aleutian Islands (Alaska), recovering the bodies of 6 soldiers who had crashed a PBY on the top of Kiska Island, trying to avoid Japanese fighters. They had been there since about 1943, covered in snow. Some biologist found the wreckage and reported it. The US Army spent the money and time to bring them home. They were in a very "remote" site and it was just fate that found them. Most will never be found. Don't blame the government for not finding the MIA's. It is a monumental task!
Sometime's it is not so easy to find them. I was involved in a recovery mission last year in the Aleutian Islands (Alaska), recovering the bodies of 6 soldiers who had crashed a PBY on the top of Kiska Island, trying to avoid Japanese fighters. They had been there since about 1943, covered in snow. Some biologist found the wreckage and reported it. The US Army spent the money and time to bring them home. They were in a very "remote" site and it was just fate that found them. Most will never be found. Don't blame the government for not finding the MIA's. It is a monumental task!
That's cool that you were actually involved in it.
As for the POW/MIA's, I can't even really wrap my head around it. Either from the side of those that have no closure in the US, or from the actual POWs themselves. It's too hard to even think about it.
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99 ranger bob,
I agree, it's not on on the politicians' "things to do" list. Sadly it seems like it never was.
bloodhound,
It sounds like an interesting read. I'll check it out.
I think I know what you are trying to say, and it does seem plausible to me as well. I think it may account for some, but I believe some are still being "held" against their will.
76supercab2,
Well said, I totally agree.
Kannata,
I understand. For some it is very hard to think about. for others, it is hard not to think about.
I recently had a very nice conversation with an awesome Veteran and gentleman. He knew a great deal of what went on and how things worked over there, and was able to give me insight on many things.
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