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Feb 19, 2004 | 06:41 PM

Rtpjunior

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instrument cluster replacement

I recently removed my instrument cluster, trying to install some white face gauges. I screwed up, and basically got frustrated enough to throw the cluster across the garage into the wall. Needless to say, I need a new one. Is there any problem in replacing the cluster with a used one ? I have a 97 E.B. 4x4, and I know the 97-98 gauges were the same layout. I have seen used ones for like $75 or so. Although the mileage won't be exactly the same, I could get lucky enough to find one with similar miles on the odo. Can I just swap them out ? Do I need to calibrate or reset anything ? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.............

Feb 20, 2004 | 02:00 AM

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To my understanding the ECU (Computer) knows the cluster that was used with it through an EPROM that is not reset but simply disconnecting the power to it and has to be done by Ford. All you will get when you try to start is a blinking Theft light through the PATS system. I think Ford wants something outrageous like 350 to do this. Sorry M8 wish I had better news for you.

-Dave

Feb 20, 2004 | 10:23 AM

Rtpjunior

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Originally posted by Luzer27
To my understanding the ECU (Computer) knows the cluster that was used with it through an EPROM that is not reset but simply disconnecting the power to it and has to be done by Ford. All you will get when you try to start is a blinking Theft light through the PATS system. I think Ford wants something outrageous like 350 to do this. Sorry M8 wish I had better news for you.

-Dave

$350 to swap out the cluster and reprogram? Will the vehicle run with the new (replacement) cluster until it is done ? My wifeworks for a (S)tealership, and I could get the service guys to reprogram the gauges if I swap them, but if the truck don't run, I can't get it there to do it........

Feb 20, 2004 | 10:41 AM

dakota_viking

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Is the old cluster completely destroyed? If not, you should be able to hook it up long enough to get it down to the dealership.

Once there, you could hook up the replacement unit and have it reprogrammed.

My .02

Feb 20, 2004 | 07:53 PM

1999XLT

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If you go to a junker and buy a cluster the truck WILL NOT START. Unfortunately this is one of those instances where you NEED to go the dealer. They program it for your keys and mileage. Been there done that...............

Steve

Feb 21, 2004 | 06:12 AM

kidtriton

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a 97 and 98 doesnt have pats anti theft, so you can swap the cluster yourself just fine.

its 99-02 that you cant.

03 and 04 have the pats in the pcm, so once again, they can be swapped by the customer.

Feb 21, 2004 | 09:19 PM

buzzard

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[B]a 97 and 98 doesnt have pats anti theft, so you can swap the cluster yourself just fine.

You know, that's what a Ford Tech told me too, but a few '97 and '98 Expy owners on this forum corrected me when I mentioned this once. Recently I was looking for a spare PATS key on ebay and MOST of the listings specify '97-'02. HMMMM?

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Feb 22, 2004 | 07:44 AM

kidtriton

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ok, i the expy does have pats where the f150 doesnt, (its a standalone module) so what i should have said is that the 97 and 98 pats in the expy is totally independant of the cluster. Swapping clusters in a 97, 98, 03 and 04 can be done at home.

Trust me, i am a ford master tech, but i just switched careers, so i no longer work at a dealership.

Feb 22, 2004 | 08:51 PM

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Rtpjunior

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ok, i the expy does have pats where the f150 doesnt, (its a standalone module) so what i should have said is that the 97 and 98 pats in the expy is totally independant of the cluster. Swapping clusters in a 97, 98, 03 and 04 can be done at home.

Trust me, i am a ford master tech, but i just switched careers, so i no longer work at a dealership.

Thanks dude, I'll give it a shot................

Jul 25, 2006 | 10:24 PM

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Hi I have replaced the instrument cluster on my 2000 expedition and now i can't get it started it will not start for the world any help will be greatly apraciated. thank you.

Jul 26, 2006 | 07:04 AM

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Hi I have replaced the instrument cluster on my 2000 expedition and now i can't get it started it will not start for the world any help will be greatly apraciated. thank you.

If you take the time to actually read the thread you have resurrected, your question is already answered.

You HAVE to take it to a dealer.

Steve