How about a draft?
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How about a draft?
I have read that some are saying that we should start the draft again. Speaking from my own experience, I think its a good thing. I regestered just after my 18th birthday and about a year later requested that my name be placed on list to be drafted. I went into the army as a young man with few skills or practical experience. After 2 years (which I can't say I enjoyed), I left with a new maturity, job skills (electronics) and a plan for what I wanted to do. The GI Bill paid for college and that allowed me to make a good living and paid for the retirement I now enjoy. All in all, a pretty good return on an investment of two years. What do you think?
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How about a draft?
I don't think it would hurt the majority of todays youth to experience military life. I did my time and came away with a new attitude and some new skills. They also taught me that there is no obsticle that can not be overcome.
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How about a draft?
lots of people definitely need it today. think of the public outcry from the liberal society we have though. at the perfect draft age would i want to be drafted? heck no. who would? they'd have already volunteered for service if they had any interest in the military. a conscripted army in the world we live in today will never beat an army of volunteers- because the volunteers actually believe in their cause and want to be there. i don't think our military has any need for a draft anymore, unless we have to raise a 5 million man army to fight someone like china in the future. technology is taking the place of men on the battlefield in the wars we fight and sheer numbers of men arn't as important. thats my opinion though
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How about a draft?
I don't think a draft is a good thing, but I was interested in the idea where every man and woman was required to serve 18 months after graduating High School. If you drop out of school a year early, you add 12 months on your Military service, and so on.
I like the idea that everyone serves, kids have the opportunity to grow up a little without Mom and Dad wet nursing them, and they all enter Colege at the same time. Patriots don't fall behind.
I dislike one guy getting Drafted and all his friends having a four year colege education when he gets out of the service.
I've donned the flame proof underwear, let me have it....
I like the idea that everyone serves, kids have the opportunity to grow up a little without Mom and Dad wet nursing them, and they all enter Colege at the same time. Patriots don't fall behind.
I dislike one guy getting Drafted and all his friends having a four year colege education when he gets out of the service.
I've donned the flame proof underwear, let me have it....
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How about a draft?
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 01-13-03 AT 02:13 PM (EST)]>The only one's saying that are the Democrats because they're
>trying to stir up the pop against Bush and the situation
>certainly doesn't call for it.
We have a local politician say that war is unfair to Blacks because they will be killed and hurt in disproportion, and tried to put the draft back on the table for that reason. The Military released a 122 page document showing that he was guessing or lying, the report showed that his statement was totally wrong.
>trying to stir up the pop against Bush and the situation
>certainly doesn't call for it.
We have a local politician say that war is unfair to Blacks because they will be killed and hurt in disproportion, and tried to put the draft back on the table for that reason. The Military released a 122 page document showing that he was guessing or lying, the report showed that his statement was totally wrong.
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How about a draft?
If I thought there was an impending threat of a draft, I would join before my name was called. The only thing I don't like about it is not being able to choose which branch you are put in. I would probably go into the Air Force, as jet mechanic or in motor pool. Come to think of it, I would probably be put into the motor pool no matter where I went, either that or somewhere fabricating stuff, if they looked at my skills and work history. Also, to the politicians, and anybody else who bases there oppinions off of the Black Panther guys in Forrest Gump: Grow up. More white people get drafted than blacks, yet we don't sit there and say, The draft is sending poor white boys off to be killed. Quit your whining.
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How about a draft?
I wouldn't personally be too scared of the draft, because I wouldn't be fit to be on the front lines anyways. I can't hear very well, or at least as well as I should. I would get thrown into potable water logistics, which is where my training is based.
I would have joined the military at 18 if I could have passed the physical, but in retrospect, I am glad I didn't at the time. I turned out OK.
If there is a draft, I wont run and join, but if I get drafted, that's how it goes, plus my truck wouldn't make it to Canada! I wouldn't dodge it, I would use it to my advantage by getting somewhere with my skills. Plus, they don't throw disabled undersized super geniuses like myself into battle. They want the 18 year old dumb jock gung-ho type idiot to have the guns and cannons, not me.
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I would have joined the military at 18 if I could have passed the physical, but in retrospect, I am glad I didn't at the time. I turned out OK.
If there is a draft, I wont run and join, but if I get drafted, that's how it goes, plus my truck wouldn't make it to Canada! I wouldn't dodge it, I would use it to my advantage by getting somewhere with my skills. Plus, they don't throw disabled undersized super geniuses like myself into battle. They want the 18 year old dumb jock gung-ho type idiot to have the guns and cannons, not me.
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How about a draft?
>I dislike one guy getting Drafted and all his friends having
>a four year colege education when he gets out of the
>service.
>
>
>I've donned the flame proof underwear, let me have it....
I'm old enough to be your dad (I think), but I'll have to say your ideas are good ones.
A draft is too indescriminate and it is unfair. Making everyone SUBJECT to being called, but only taking the unlucky doesn't make for a fair process.
My feelings are that all should serve at some point. Have them enter service right out of high school. A lot have no idea what they want to do with their lives at that age anyway. It would be a great growth experience for young people and the training could be invaluable to them. Someone asked about Israel. I've heard that everyone there serves, in some capacity or other based on ability. I agree this is something we could benefit from and would like to see something similar established here. Do I think it will happen? Not as long as a person with enough money can buy their way out of it.
Ron
>a four year colege education when he gets out of the
>service.
>
>
>I've donned the flame proof underwear, let me have it....
I'm old enough to be your dad (I think), but I'll have to say your ideas are good ones.
A draft is too indescriminate and it is unfair. Making everyone SUBJECT to being called, but only taking the unlucky doesn't make for a fair process.
My feelings are that all should serve at some point. Have them enter service right out of high school. A lot have no idea what they want to do with their lives at that age anyway. It would be a great growth experience for young people and the training could be invaluable to them. Someone asked about Israel. I've heard that everyone there serves, in some capacity or other based on ability. I agree this is something we could benefit from and would like to see something similar established here. Do I think it will happen? Not as long as a person with enough money can buy their way out of it.
Ron
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From: Floyd, Va
How about a draft?
The wondeful thing about our military is that they have a long history of looking at your strengths, and ignoring them. "You were a cook? Here you go, youre a mechanic. You can fly a plane? Heres a potato peeler." Kinda scary, but i guess we survive in spite of ourselves sometimes.
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How about a draft?
I normaly don't get my self into these type of discussion but I will this time. Im in the military, I have been serving our country for 18 years now. I did my time in the gulf war and the Somalia and will probably be sent again. Do I have a problem about it? NO. I do the job that no one want to do. So if you would ask me about bring back the draft my answer would be, Bring it on and do you part for the rock you stand on. Race doesn't matter, the military is gender neutral.
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From: Floyd, Va
How about a draft?
Well said Fordzzzz77, more americans like you, and there wouldnt be this discussion. And we would be saying things like "Saddam who? Oh yea, that guy we took care of when Daddy Bush was in office." Instead were in the same place we were in 91 because the politicians didnt have the kahunas to finish it.
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How about a draft?
i tried when i was 20 to join but like big_daddy my ears were bad. im probably going to be entering the reserves soon though, not sure which branch. a good friend of mine is a C-130 pilot(left seat) for the AF reserves and also happens to be my flight instructor. another friend is a seabee in the naval res. and wants me to go that way.
so, as you can imagine, im ok with a draft. i dont think it will ever be instituted again but its fine with me, even if i wasnt thinking about joining the reserves.
if you wouldnt serve your country when your help is needed, you should find another place to live.
a phrase comes to mind...."ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" if those words dont peirce your soul.......we dont need you.
so, as you can imagine, im ok with a draft. i dont think it will ever be instituted again but its fine with me, even if i wasnt thinking about joining the reserves.
if you wouldnt serve your country when your help is needed, you should find another place to live.
a phrase comes to mind...."ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" if those words dont peirce your soul.......we dont need you.
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How about a draft?
Ken is right. We are hurting slightly for people but not enough to worry about. The draft is sometimes necessary to protect our freedom at the cost of some freedom by making people serve in the military. If the military we have right now is big enough to protect our coutries freedom (which it is) then there is no reason to take freedom away.