Question about Banks/superchip
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Question about Banks/superchip
I have been reading about some people who have recently put on the Banks Stinger package. I have also read about how much the Superchip makes a difference. Banks uses the trans command for shifts and the Otto-mind for the power control (as I understand it). Superchip uses the 1 chip to do all of the above. So what are ya'll using? Do you put the Headers/ exhaust and run a superchip? Does the banks take care of the issue of the V-10's computer delay on giving full power? I was under the assumption that only superchip and Diablo took care of this. Can anyone throw some insight into this?
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Just to clarify things for everyone:
The Banks Stinger kit includes muffler, tailpipe, and air filter.
The Banks Powerpack includes the "Stinger" plus headers & Y-pipe.
The Banks engine performance chip is the Ottomind and the transmission shift enhancement device is the Transcommand.
There is also a chip from Superchips and one from Diablo. Both of these affect engine performance AND transmission shift characteristics. But, these two require high-octane fuel whereas the Ottomind does not.
When I frequented [link:www.ford-diesel.com/contents/getitems.php3?Log%20from%20Gale%20Banks%20Chat|ano ther site], I had the opportunity to join a chat session with Gale Banks. Here's the discussion that took place:
JLester : Note to everyone, we aren't limiting questions to just Ford diesels .. ask away.
NoMo : can I ask a "gasser" question?
JLester : Sure, go ahead.
NoMo : Thanks- What are the benefits of the Ottomind chip in a V10?
Gale Banks : The OttoMind module for the V-10 makes minor tuning changes -- the big item is eliminating the power-enrichment delay, programmed in by FoMoCo. Going to WOT , we've recorded up to a 205-sec. delay, during which the air-fuel ratio remains at 14.7:1, and then finally goes to nominally 12:1. The power difference is appx. 22 hp.
Gale Banks : WE eliminate that delay, such that when you ask for full power, you get it now, not later. Now we'll answer the next Q
Since the Ottomind does not require high-octane fuel, it doesn't make as much power as the Superchips & Diablo. Personally, I don't think the Ottomind is worth the money. And Banks doesn't have one for every ECU program used by Ford so you might not even be able to get an Ottomind for your truck.
The Banks Stinger kit includes muffler, tailpipe, and air filter.
The Banks Powerpack includes the "Stinger" plus headers & Y-pipe.
The Banks engine performance chip is the Ottomind and the transmission shift enhancement device is the Transcommand.
There is also a chip from Superchips and one from Diablo. Both of these affect engine performance AND transmission shift characteristics. But, these two require high-octane fuel whereas the Ottomind does not.
When I frequented [link:www.ford-diesel.com/contents/getitems.php3?Log%20from%20Gale%20Banks%20Chat|ano ther site], I had the opportunity to join a chat session with Gale Banks. Here's the discussion that took place:
JLester : Note to everyone, we aren't limiting questions to just Ford diesels .. ask away.
NoMo : can I ask a "gasser" question?
JLester : Sure, go ahead.
NoMo : Thanks- What are the benefits of the Ottomind chip in a V10?
Gale Banks : The OttoMind module for the V-10 makes minor tuning changes -- the big item is eliminating the power-enrichment delay, programmed in by FoMoCo. Going to WOT , we've recorded up to a 205-sec. delay, during which the air-fuel ratio remains at 14.7:1, and then finally goes to nominally 12:1. The power difference is appx. 22 hp.
Gale Banks : WE eliminate that delay, such that when you ask for full power, you get it now, not later. Now we'll answer the next Q
Since the Ottomind does not require high-octane fuel, it doesn't make as much power as the Superchips & Diablo. Personally, I don't think the Ottomind is worth the money. And Banks doesn't have one for every ECU program used by Ford so you might not even be able to get an Ottomind for your truck.
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>Gale Banks : The OttoMind module for the V-10 makes minor
>tuning changes -- the big item is eliminating the
>power-enrichment delay, programmed in by FoMoCo. Going to
>WOT , we've recorded up to a 205-sec. delay, during which
>the air-fuel ratio remains at 14.7:1, and then finally goes
>to nominally 12:1. The power difference is appx. 22 hp.
>Gale Banks : WE eliminate that delay, such that when you ask
>for full power, you get it now, not later. Now we'll answer
>the next Q [/i][/b]
Sounds like what he's saying is the Ottomind only programs at wide open throttle... great if you tow at wide open throttle. :-(
>tuning changes -- the big item is eliminating the
>power-enrichment delay, programmed in by FoMoCo. Going to
>WOT , we've recorded up to a 205-sec. delay, during which
>the air-fuel ratio remains at 14.7:1, and then finally goes
>to nominally 12:1. The power difference is appx. 22 hp.
>Gale Banks : WE eliminate that delay, such that when you ask
>for full power, you get it now, not later. Now we'll answer
>the next Q [/i][/b]
Sounds like what he's saying is the Ottomind only programs at wide open throttle... great if you tow at wide open throttle. :-(
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So then the question would maybe be, if you want to stick with 87 then what? How can you get the instant power, without delay. Reduce the trans slip that makes little sense in a 3/4 ton. Also adjust for 315-75 tires and get the most out of 87 octane.
That's what I'm looking for.
That's what I'm looking for.
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>So then the question would maybe be, if you want to stick
>with 87 then what? How can you get the instant power,
>without delay. Reduce the trans slip that makes little
>sense in a 3/4 ton. Also adjust for 315-75 tires and get
>the most out of 87 octane.
That is EXACTLY what I'm looking for also. I want to stick with Regular 87 octane fuel (V-10), correct the last 4% error in my speedo (I'm running 315x75 so 576 rpm... stock computer only goes down to 600), and get rid of the darn delay in down shifting. I love my truck ('02 F-250, CC, SB), but my wife's car shifts better then this truck. Could Superchip, or Diablo ship a chip that is NOT set to run on higher octane, but takes care of the shift "problem"?
Thanks
Mark Peterson
Northern California/Baja Oregon
>with 87 then what? How can you get the instant power,
>without delay. Reduce the trans slip that makes little
>sense in a 3/4 ton. Also adjust for 315-75 tires and get
>the most out of 87 octane.
That is EXACTLY what I'm looking for also. I want to stick with Regular 87 octane fuel (V-10), correct the last 4% error in my speedo (I'm running 315x75 so 576 rpm... stock computer only goes down to 600), and get rid of the darn delay in down shifting. I love my truck ('02 F-250, CC, SB), but my wife's car shifts better then this truck. Could Superchip, or Diablo ship a chip that is NOT set to run on higher octane, but takes care of the shift "problem"?
Thanks
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Not sure about Diablo, but Superchips can make a chip to do what you have requested.
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Question about Banks/superchip
If diablo can do all that, it would be great. I just put the larger tires on. I've yet to do anything to correct the speedo.
So let see if I have this right.
They could do a chip that will;
1-run 87 octane
2-improve performance
3-remove performance delay
4-increase speed limiter
5-improve trans shift behavior
6-correct for 315-75 tires
So let see if I have this right.
They could do a chip that will;
1-run 87 octane
2-improve performance
3-remove performance delay
4-increase speed limiter
5-improve trans shift behavior
6-correct for 315-75 tires
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Thanks, that is exactly the info I was looking for. I couldn't pull up bankspower.com last night before posting, so I wasn't sure if they had the Ottomind or not. I talked to someone at superchip once about the 87 octane program and they refused. Said it wasn't worth it. Although, all I wanted was what they do with the flip chip but without the flip 
. However, for what the ottomind costs, you may as well go with the diablo and buy the premium. I want to upgrade the headers and exhaust and didn't want to invest in the chip if I was going to get the thing through banks anyways.
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. However, for what the ottomind costs, you may as well go with the diablo and buy the premium. I want to upgrade the headers and exhaust and didn't want to invest in the chip if I was going to get the thing through banks anyways.TXTRAILERDADDY
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The banks ottomind won't do anything for tire size.
If you get the transcommander with ottomind it'll do everything else. Then you would have about 500.00 for the stinger, 400.00 for ottomind, and 270.00 for the transcommander. That's a lot of money for the little gain.
If you get the transcommander with ottomind it'll do everything else. Then you would have about 500.00 for the stinger, 400.00 for ottomind, and 270.00 for the transcommander. That's a lot of money for the little gain.
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>If diablo can do all that, it would be great. I just put
>the larger tires on. I've yet to do anything to correct the
>speedo.
>
>So let see if I have this right.
>
>They could do a chip that will;
>1-run 87 octane
>2-improve performance
>3-remove performance delay
>4-increase speed limiter
>5-improve trans shift behavior
>6-correct for 315-75 tires
That's the same thing I am looking for with an added:
7-Not void the factory warranty (I think we are ok here, but I want some assurance)
If I understand Ken from this and other threads, Diablo can do this, but the performance gain will be limited due to the 87 octane.
I may also wait and look into the Delta chip when it comes out. If I understand this setup, you can have 3 programs (stock, performance, and custom). If this is true, we can set the custom one to meet 1-6 on the list and still have the option to switch to the performance if needed. And hopefully #7 takes care of itself.
Am I close here Ken?
Scott
>the larger tires on. I've yet to do anything to correct the
>speedo.
>
>So let see if I have this right.
>
>They could do a chip that will;
>1-run 87 octane
>2-improve performance
>3-remove performance delay
>4-increase speed limiter
>5-improve trans shift behavior
>6-correct for 315-75 tires
That's the same thing I am looking for with an added:
7-Not void the factory warranty (I think we are ok here, but I want some assurance)
If I understand Ken from this and other threads, Diablo can do this, but the performance gain will be limited due to the 87 octane.
I may also wait and look into the Delta chip when it comes out. If I understand this setup, you can have 3 programs (stock, performance, and custom). If this is true, we can set the custom one to meet 1-6 on the list and still have the option to switch to the performance if needed. And hopefully #7 takes care of itself.
Am I close here Ken?
Scott
