9.5 Lift ?????
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9.5 Lift ?????
hummm... the way i understand it is that the crossover steering is needed due to the angles involved when you lift (lets forget that body lifts exist for the sake of arguement).....
whether or not you do all spring or spring + hanger.... you change those angles 8" is 8" no matter how u look at it.... 10" is 10" in the same respect..... the angel changes the same whether or not you do it all spring or spring plus hanger....
does that make sense?
whether or not you do all spring or spring + hanger.... you change those angles 8" is 8" no matter how u look at it.... 10" is 10" in the same respect..... the angel changes the same whether or not you do it all spring or spring plus hanger....
does that make sense?
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Brad,
That does make sense, but...
If you had an all spring pack and a spring pack and a hanger, the angles wouldn't be the same.
Example: a 10" spring kit vs. a 6" spring kit with a 4" hanger.
Because the 6" spring kit has the 4" hanger, the springs would be dropped down 4" from the normal postion where they would meet the truck. The 10" would meet the truck up at the stock hanger location. Because of this, the 10" springs will have a great "U" shape to them than would the 6" spring kit. Also the 10" spring kit would have more springs in it so it would change how the steering components would have to be to get around the springs. Does this make sense?
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That does make sense, but...
If you had an all spring pack and a spring pack and a hanger, the angles wouldn't be the same.
Example: a 10" spring kit vs. a 6" spring kit with a 4" hanger.
Because the 6" spring kit has the 4" hanger, the springs would be dropped down 4" from the normal postion where they would meet the truck. The 10" would meet the truck up at the stock hanger location. Because of this, the 10" springs will have a great "U" shape to them than would the 6" spring kit. Also the 10" spring kit would have more springs in it so it would change how the steering components would have to be to get around the springs. Does this make sense?
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i don't think it is an issue of getting around the leaf pack, but more of an issue of the angle of the steering components.....
look at it like this.... you have a droped pitman arm and a droped track bar bracket right..... these components haven't changes to be even further down.... so the angle is the same on these components at 8" or 11" in an all suspension lift (spings and/or hangers).
you have still moved the axel father from the frame of the truck... thus expanding the angle of the steering.
now... why you can't get an even more droped pitman arm and track bar bracket is a mystery to me.... but this is the case.
i don't belive it is an issue of getting the drag linkage (if this is what you call that front bar) around the bottom of the leaf springs, but rather an issue of the strenght of the knuckle itself at this angle.
again... i am no expert on this... but on taht other board it has been explained to death and the experts (drew and company) all say this is the case.....
look at it like this.... you have a droped pitman arm and a droped track bar bracket right..... these components haven't changes to be even further down.... so the angle is the same on these components at 8" or 11" in an all suspension lift (spings and/or hangers).
you have still moved the axel father from the frame of the truck... thus expanding the angle of the steering.
now... why you can't get an even more droped pitman arm and track bar bracket is a mystery to me.... but this is the case.
i don't belive it is an issue of getting the drag linkage (if this is what you call that front bar) around the bottom of the leaf springs, but rather an issue of the strenght of the knuckle itself at this angle.
again... i am no expert on this... but on taht other board it has been explained to death and the experts (drew and company) all say this is the case.....
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a little more explaination from the man himself......
~~ drewg350 explains ~~
You would want to convert to "crossover steering" if you go above 8". Your turning radius would be terrible because of the angle of your draglink, and the added stress caused by the angle would be cause for the sector shaft to break off the steering box. Ask NSP about how he likes crossover steering. Oh, I forgot, it also looks a hell of alot better too!!!
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A crossover kit will include a modified passenger knuckle with a 1" steel arm that is pinned and welded on top of the knuckle. The draglink will now connect here as opposed to the stock tierod. This will move the draglink up anywhere from 6"-12" inches depending upon how it's built. This will return your turning radius and return the draglink equal to or alot closer to the stock angle when used on an extremely lifted truck(above 8"). By doing this you will also take alot of stress off the steering box. I have alot of pics if you want to see it, I can send them to you.
~~ drewg350 explains ~~
You would want to convert to "crossover steering" if you go above 8". Your turning radius would be terrible because of the angle of your draglink, and the added stress caused by the angle would be cause for the sector shaft to break off the steering box. Ask NSP about how he likes crossover steering. Oh, I forgot, it also looks a hell of alot better too!!!
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A crossover kit will include a modified passenger knuckle with a 1" steel arm that is pinned and welded on top of the knuckle. The draglink will now connect here as opposed to the stock tierod. This will move the draglink up anywhere from 6"-12" inches depending upon how it's built. This will return your turning radius and return the draglink equal to or alot closer to the stock angle when used on an extremely lifted truck(above 8"). By doing this you will also take alot of stress off the steering box. I have alot of pics if you want to see it, I can send them to you.
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Abendx,
If you look at your front suspension setup, look at how the spring pack is and where that steering link is. Now if you were to have another inch on there or more on the spring pack, it would cause that link to be at even more of an angle and hit the spring pack. Can you see what I'm saying? Anyway, I think we are beating this to death. If this guy only wants to lift his rig 6-8", either way he won't have to mess with the steering.
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If you look at your front suspension setup, look at how the spring pack is and where that steering link is. Now if you were to have another inch on there or more on the spring pack, it would cause that link to be at even more of an angle and hit the spring pack. Can you see what I'm saying? Anyway, I think we are beating this to death. If this guy only wants to lift his rig 6-8", either way he won't have to mess with the steering.
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Guy's do I need to put you in seperate corners. I really do appericiate all of your conversation, although now I am even more lost as to what to do. I do see what Brad is talking about and tend to agree with what he is saying but I also see Chad's pics and from what he say's ( & shows) it can be done. It would be nice to go that big but I don't want to work until I am 90 to afford it. Besides the company still has not emailed me back yet. I do appericiate all of your input. And if you two can get anything figured out let me know or maybe when I go to Vegas in August (honeymoon) we can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
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>maybe when I go to Vegas in August (honeymoon) we
>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
You guys are really getting kinky? I would'nt make that offer to Abendx... he might take you up on it!
>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
You guys are really getting kinky? I would'nt make that offer to Abendx... he might take you up on it!
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>Guy's do I need to put you in seperate corners. I really do
>appericiate all of your conversation, although now I am even
>more lost as to what to do. I do see what Brad is talking
>about and tend to agree with what he is saying but I also
>see Chad's pics and from what he say's ( & shows) it can be
>done. It would be nice to go that big but I don't want to
>work until I am 90 to afford it. Besides the company still
>has not emailed me back yet. I do appericiate all of your
>input. And if you two can get anything figured out let me
>know or maybe when I go to Vegas in August (honeymoon) we
>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
oh... it can be done... whether or not is is the "right" way to do it is another story... i am sticking to my guns with this as it has been explained over and over at teh "other" site.
>appericiate all of your conversation, although now I am even
>more lost as to what to do. I do see what Brad is talking
>about and tend to agree with what he is saying but I also
>see Chad's pics and from what he say's ( & shows) it can be
>done. It would be nice to go that big but I don't want to
>work until I am 90 to afford it. Besides the company still
>has not emailed me back yet. I do appericiate all of your
>input. And if you two can get anything figured out let me
>know or maybe when I go to Vegas in August (honeymoon) we
>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
oh... it can be done... whether or not is is the "right" way to do it is another story... i am sticking to my guns with this as it has been explained over and over at teh "other" site.
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>>maybe when I go to Vegas in August (honeymoon) we
>>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
>
>You guys are really getting kinky? I would'nt make
>that offer to Abendx... he might take you up on it!
>
ummm..... was he offering up his soon to be wife????? ok ok... i might be interested! lol.
but i think he wanted to look at chad's setup... and in that case.... guys, you need to talk with the other dude that is into the reasons that boys lift their trucks.
>>can hook up so I can take a real peak. Thanks again!!
>
>You guys are really getting kinky? I would'nt make
>that offer to Abendx... he might take you up on it!
>
ummm..... was he offering up his soon to be wife????? ok ok... i might be interested! lol.
but i think he wanted to look at chad's setup... and in that case.... guys, you need to talk with the other dude that is into the reasons that boys lift their trucks.
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>ummm..... was he offering up his soon to be wife????? ok
>ok... i might be interested! lol.
If you want her I could sure leave her there. Maybe then I could afford the x - over steering.
>
>but i think he wanted to look at chad's setup... and in that
>case.... guys, you need to talk with the other dude that is
>into the reasons that boys lift their trucks.
YES, I just wanted to look at Chad's setup. What other Dude???
>ok... i might be interested! lol.
If you want her I could sure leave her there. Maybe then I could afford the x - over steering.
>
>but i think he wanted to look at chad's setup... and in that
>case.... guys, you need to talk with the other dude that is
>into the reasons that boys lift their trucks.
YES, I just wanted to look at Chad's setup. What other Dude???
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-Apr-02 AT 01:05 PM (EST)]Ok I have a question for you to Chad and abendx.
I am putting a 6" on mine next week! Would I be able to put a 3 or 4 inch hanger on down the road for more height! I didnt know you could do the hanger thing. I have heard of it but had no clue what it was! I dont want to do a body lift (I am not into them) but I know I will want more height down the road! do hanger kits work with any lift ( I would assume) since you are only extending the spring connection points?
Hey Chadrock if you get a chance could you take a picture of your hanger on one side and I will take it to 4 wheel parts here in denver! they dont know what I am talking about!
I am putting a 6" on mine next week! Would I be able to put a 3 or 4 inch hanger on down the road for more height! I didnt know you could do the hanger thing. I have heard of it but had no clue what it was! I dont want to do a body lift (I am not into them) but I know I will want more height down the road! do hanger kits work with any lift ( I would assume) since you are only extending the spring connection points?
Hey Chadrock if you get a chance could you take a picture of your hanger on one side and I will take it to 4 wheel parts here in denver! they dont know what I am talking about!
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if 4wheel parts doesn't know.... run away from them!
yes.. you can do a hanger kit down the road..... but if you go over 8" you will run into the x-over steering issues.
body lifts actually look fine on our trucks... look at my pics... u wouldn't know unless i told you it was there!
yes.. you can do a hanger kit down the road..... but if you go over 8" you will run into the x-over steering issues.
body lifts actually look fine on our trucks... look at my pics... u wouldn't know unless i told you it was there!
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-Apr-02 AT 02:20 PM (EST)]I better rephrase that ! they know what it is they just frown apon it ( well depends who you talk to) thanks !
Abendx, I assume you have the body lift on the 11" pictures? not the 8" right?
Abendx, I assume you have the body lift on the 11" pictures? not the 8" right?
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Yeah, I will take some pics and put them in my gallery later today. Thats wierd that 4wheel Parts doesn't know what a hanger kit is, maybe you should tell them its a leveling kit. I know Rancho makes them as well. And yes, you could put one on down the road. All it is, is a bolt on piece. If you go to this web address:
http://www.rockymountainsusp.com/fd4_f2_350.htm
it will tell you exactly what it is and gives a price. Anyhow, I will take a pic though to show you what it looks like on my truck.
Abendx,
I'm sticking to my view on this crossover steering
I do agree that its a good idea because if you can get any parts of the truck to work like they were on a stock setup when being lifted, thats a great thing. But, I don't think mine is setup wrong and neither does the shop here in town (they are a very reputable 4x shop here in Vegas). Two experts can always have different views on how things shoud be (your guys and my guys) and you and I are just the communicators of what we've been told. When you're down here in May, maybe you should look at my steering setup.
:-X11
http://www.rockymountainsusp.com/fd4_f2_350.htm
it will tell you exactly what it is and gives a price. Anyhow, I will take a pic though to show you what it looks like on my truck.
Abendx,
I'm sticking to my view on this crossover steering
I do agree that its a good idea because if you can get any parts of the truck to work like they were on a stock setup when being lifted, thats a great thing. But, I don't think mine is setup wrong and neither does the shop here in town (they are a very reputable 4x shop here in Vegas). Two experts can always have different views on how things shoud be (your guys and my guys) and you and I are just the communicators of what we've been told. When you're down here in May, maybe you should look at my steering setup. :-X11