HELP!!!76 F250 Starter, Flywheel Problems
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HELP!!!76 F250 Starter, Flywheel Problems
HELP !!! I have a 76 F250 with the 360 ,granny 4 speed, 4x2 !!! This truck is eating starter drives and Flywheels !!! Are there 2 different starters for this truck and maybe I have the wrong one??? The 3 parts stores I have checked(Auto Zone,Advance & O reillys) all say that thats the only starter made for the 360 !!! The guy I got the truck from said I have to put spacers (washers)between the starter and bellhousing, but that pulls the drive away from the flywheel and it wont even engage !!! I know someone out there has encountered this problem !!! Please share some wisdom with a man that is tired of pulling that granny 4 speed !!! HELP !!! 76 f250 granny 4 speed:
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well first of all i dont think there is but only 1 starter that you can use, so there must be another problem, im sure someone on here has had the same problem and will give you some pointers, good luck
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I was sold a 351W starter for my truck. It bolted up fine but made horrible noises and didn't get the engine over fast enough to start it. I thought the W starters had smaller bolt patterns but I guess not. I went through 5 reman FE starters before I found one that sounded right. I also replaced the flexplate so I know it wasn't that.
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I had that problem but my problem was after a rebuild and I must have bent the flexplate ever so slightly in torwards the motor in one spot and that spot was not allowing the starter to disengage. If you just switched out staters it's probably much like
Ratsmoker's problem. Using washers sounds like a mickymouse way to fix this problem.
Ken
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74 Bronco 351W
Ratsmoker's problem. Using washers sounds like a mickymouse way to fix this problem.
Ken
68 F100 390
74 Bronco 351W
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I just went through this with my new 390.
I had a destroyed spacer plate, but put a new one in and it still ate at the starter. After looking closely at the starter I saw the ring gear was hitting the nose on the starter. I verified the starter part number was correct at napa and it was. I pulled the starter out of my 68 f250 4x4 4 speed parts truck with 50K original miles on it, the starter had the original ford part numbers on it and may be the original one. The nose on it was totally different from the reman one I got from NAPA. About a 1/4 inch difference. I brought both starters into napa. we opened up 5 reman starter boxes and all the starters looked the same as the one they sold me earlier, then we opened up a brand new starter box and that starter was the same as the original 68 one. I ended up bitching enough that they gave me 2 brand new starters for my trouble. So it was napa's fault.
I had a destroyed spacer plate, but put a new one in and it still ate at the starter. After looking closely at the starter I saw the ring gear was hitting the nose on the starter. I verified the starter part number was correct at napa and it was. I pulled the starter out of my 68 f250 4x4 4 speed parts truck with 50K original miles on it, the starter had the original ford part numbers on it and may be the original one. The nose on it was totally different from the reman one I got from NAPA. About a 1/4 inch difference. I brought both starters into napa. we opened up 5 reman starter boxes and all the starters looked the same as the one they sold me earlier, then we opened up a brand new starter box and that starter was the same as the original 68 one. I ended up bitching enough that they gave me 2 brand new starters for my trouble. So it was napa's fault.
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My starter has the same grind marks on the outer nose piece where the shaft of the starter rides in the bushing !!! Is this where your starter was tore up ??? If so , do you still have the FORD part #'s for that starter ??? Let me know !!! 76 F250 granny 4 speed
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I got my '74 F250 from my brother who rebuilt the stock 360 at around 140K miles... totally stock.
Flywheel teeth were more coarse than stock (154 vs. 180 something on the flywheel?) , and it seems the only reason a course-tooth flywheel was used was for the "FT" series motors... so, I have seen a "stock" FE 360 with a coarse-tooth flywheel - and of course, the starter has to match.
Also, the 360 I had was an externally-balanced one, with a weighted flywheel... not possible? sounds like an FT, although it was totally stock. And I think I can trust my brother as to what parts he used
I participated in a thread a while ago about this same subject - as in "why would I have a starter that made noise" - answer? "wrong number of teeth".
I have a theory that there is a "two-bolt" vs. "three-bolt" starter for Fords. Parts stores will lump Fords into two and three bolt starters. The FE's take three-bolt starters but a different number of teeth on the gear.
EDIT: Which means, FE's may take a three-bolt starter, but what they give you may not be exactly the right thing.
Flywheel teeth were more coarse than stock (154 vs. 180 something on the flywheel?) , and it seems the only reason a course-tooth flywheel was used was for the "FT" series motors... so, I have seen a "stock" FE 360 with a coarse-tooth flywheel - and of course, the starter has to match.
Also, the 360 I had was an externally-balanced one, with a weighted flywheel... not possible? sounds like an FT, although it was totally stock. And I think I can trust my brother as to what parts he used
I participated in a thread a while ago about this same subject - as in "why would I have a starter that made noise" - answer? "wrong number of teeth".
I have a theory that there is a "two-bolt" vs. "three-bolt" starter for Fords. Parts stores will lump Fords into two and three bolt starters. The FE's take three-bolt starters but a different number of teeth on the gear.
EDIT: Which means, FE's may take a three-bolt starter, but what they give you may not be exactly the right thing.
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something I have both noticed and learned in a school I was sent to is that standard trans. and auto trans. take two different starters . a good parts man will ask . On some fords you even have to know the tooth count on the ring gear. Ford used different suppliers in different years, in some years even changing in the middle of the year . I know this isnt much help , but it may give you an idea , good luck, bob
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This happened to me also awhile back.
Here's the thread that helped me.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...25252Bstarters
Here's the thread that helped me.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...25252Bstarters
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Originally posted by bob arrington
something I have both noticed and learned in a school I was sent to is that standard trans. and auto trans. take two different starters . a good parts man will ask . On some fords you even have to know the tooth count on the ring gear. Ford used different suppliers in different years, in some years even changing in the middle of the year . I know this isnt much help , but it may give you an idea , good luck, bob
something I have both noticed and learned in a school I was sent to is that standard trans. and auto trans. take two different starters . a good parts man will ask . On some fords you even have to know the tooth count on the ring gear. Ford used different suppliers in different years, in some years even changing in the middle of the year . I know this isnt much help , but it may give you an idea , good luck, bob
The coarse tooth was used early on (not sure what year), then they went fine-tooth. The FT's used the coarse tooth all the way through (not entirely sure).
My experieince is limited to manual trannies though, but a "good parts man" these days just uses a computer, and it always asks auto or stick.
ARE the auto and stick starters different?
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Hey there,
If you have a 391 or 361 flywheel on your 390 or 360 in your truck you will have a huge problem if your also running the 390/360 bellhousing. The 391 FT series flywheels are about an inch smaller in diameter and are also externally balanced. They are smaller in diameter, but much thicker. The manual and auto starters are identicle for FE's. If you have an external balance flywheel on you 360/390 and the starter actually does work right you still have a huge problem because you either have a 410/428 flywheel or a 460 flywheel on it.
The flywheel was grinding on my starter so the ground away spot was directly inline with the flywheel on the aluminum nose piece. It seemed to me like the opening in the nose piece to let the starter drive engage the flywheel was clocked wrong to work on an FE. It probably was NAPA thinking they could interchange a different 3 bolt starter. Next time I'm in there I'll see if that's what they were doing.
If you have a 391 or 361 flywheel on your 390 or 360 in your truck you will have a huge problem if your also running the 390/360 bellhousing. The 391 FT series flywheels are about an inch smaller in diameter and are also externally balanced. They are smaller in diameter, but much thicker. The manual and auto starters are identicle for FE's. If you have an external balance flywheel on you 360/390 and the starter actually does work right you still have a huge problem because you either have a 410/428 flywheel or a 460 flywheel on it.
The flywheel was grinding on my starter so the ground away spot was directly inline with the flywheel on the aluminum nose piece. It seemed to me like the opening in the nose piece to let the starter drive engage the flywheel was clocked wrong to work on an FE. It probably was NAPA thinking they could interchange a different 3 bolt starter. Next time I'm in there I'll see if that's what they were doing.