Monster Cable Hype
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Originally posted by wlihntr
you can talk specs. until you are blue in the face. the truth is that the human ear can hear far more than any testing equip. can measure(at this time at least) trust the ear(toss the specs) thats the only thing that matters
you can talk specs. until you are blue in the face. the truth is that the human ear can hear far more than any testing equip. can measure(at this time at least) trust the ear(toss the specs) thats the only thing that matters
This tells me alot right here. Even the most basic audio enthusiast knows that the human ear can't hear over 22,000hz so testing equip isn't as good??? I see how these companies do it now, they brainwash people.
One of you all said you did a blind test, I know that's not true because you wouldn't be sitting here saying arguing, or maybe you meant blind test in that you checked your eyes, not your ears!
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re:Current travels on the outside of wire, therefore more strands give you more outer surface area for the current to travel on, therefore greater current handeling capabilities.
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I beg to differ on this one.......current in the form of moving electrons move
through the entire body of copper...not just the surface....
If electrons moved through the surface only.....then the core of each strand would have to be made from a non conductive material like carbon,
etc......while being coated with the conductive copper.
the beauty of metals is that electrons can move about from one atom to another.....by way of displacement via metal's crystaline lattice structure with the metal's atom nuclei surounded by a sea of mobile valence electrons....one moves in and forces another to vacate.....the rate of this movement is relative to the resistance measured in OHMs....
the higher the conductivity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industrial equipment and high end consumer stuff...
the higher strand count cables are generaly more manueverable than the thick strand count stuff....
now that we have this out of the way.....
The shielded cable (oxygen free) helps prevent oxidation of the cable over a long period of time.....this helps keep the performance of the cable more consistent over a long period of time.
Let's say we did form a thin oxide layer on the copper....most electrons flow within the copper lattice structure....so the effects on resistance are negligible.....now wait a few months or years....the oxidation "consumes" the copper......leaving less and less metal for the electrons to travel through.....this elevates resistance....and ruins performance.....so yes....the shielded stuff is better longevity wise.
re:how does Monster Cable stay in business?
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Marketing.........
I also agree that increasing the size of the gauge speaker wire won't improve sound quality much at all.....the main reason you want to go get that good 16 AWG wire is the shielding....the stuff we get with the speakers has such a thin jacket and is marginal in quality.
If running more power (via power upgrade) then purchasing the corresponding high quality awg wire would be the right thing to do.
If you inform yourself with good info and shop around......you won't be wasting your money on good stuff.
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I beg to differ on this one.......current in the form of moving electrons move
through the entire body of copper...not just the surface....
If electrons moved through the surface only.....then the core of each strand would have to be made from a non conductive material like carbon,
etc......while being coated with the conductive copper.
the beauty of metals is that electrons can move about from one atom to another.....by way of displacement via metal's crystaline lattice structure with the metal's atom nuclei surounded by a sea of mobile valence electrons....one moves in and forces another to vacate.....the rate of this movement is relative to the resistance measured in OHMs....
the higher the conductivity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industrial equipment and high end consumer stuff...
the higher strand count cables are generaly more manueverable than the thick strand count stuff....
now that we have this out of the way.....
The shielded cable (oxygen free) helps prevent oxidation of the cable over a long period of time.....this helps keep the performance of the cable more consistent over a long period of time.
Let's say we did form a thin oxide layer on the copper....most electrons flow within the copper lattice structure....so the effects on resistance are negligible.....now wait a few months or years....the oxidation "consumes" the copper......leaving less and less metal for the electrons to travel through.....this elevates resistance....and ruins performance.....so yes....the shielded stuff is better longevity wise.
re:how does Monster Cable stay in business?
------------------------------------------------------------
Marketing.........
I also agree that increasing the size of the gauge speaker wire won't improve sound quality much at all.....the main reason you want to go get that good 16 AWG wire is the shielding....the stuff we get with the speakers has such a thin jacket and is marginal in quality.
If running more power (via power upgrade) then purchasing the corresponding high quality awg wire would be the right thing to do.
If you inform yourself with good info and shop around......you won't be wasting your money on good stuff.
Last edited by Capone; Jan 28, 2004 at 08:14 AM.
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re:Current travels on the outside of wire, therefore more strands give you more outer surface area for the current to travel on, therefore greater current handeling capabilities.
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I beg to differ on this one.......current in the form of moving electrons move
through the entire body of copper...not just the surface....
If electrons moved through the surface only.....then the core of each strand would have to be made from a non conductive material like carbon,
etc......while being coated with the conductive copper.
the beauty of metals that electrons can move about from one atom to another.....by way of displacement via metal's crystaline lattice structure with the metal nuclei surounded by a sea of mobile valence electrons....one moves in and forces another to vacate.....the rate of this movement is relative to the resistance measured in OHMs....
the higher the conductibity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff...
the higher strand count cables are generaly more manueverable than the thick strand count stuff....
now that we have this out of the way.....
The shielded cable (oxygen free) helps prevent oxidation of the cable over a long period of time.....this helps keep the performance of the cable consistent over a long period of time.
Let's say we did form a thin oxide layer on the copper....most electrons flow within the copper lattice structure....so the effects on resistance are negligible.....now wait a few months or years....the oxidation "consumes" the copper......leaving less and less.....this elevates resistance....and ruins performance.....so yes....the shielded stuff is better longevity wise.
re:how does Monster Cable stay in business?
------------------------------------------------------------
Marketing.........
I also agree that increasing the size of the gauge speaker wire won't improve sound quality much at all.....the main reason you want to go get that good 16 AWG wire is the shielding....the stuff we get with the speakers has such a thin jacket and is marginal in quality.
If running more power (via power upgrade) then purchasing the corresponding awg wire would be the right thing to do.
If you inform yourself with good info and shop around......you won't be wasting your money on good stuff.
-------------------------------------------
I beg to differ on this one.......current in the form of moving electrons move
through the entire body of copper...not just the surface....
If electrons moved through the surface only.....then the core of each strand would have to be made from a non conductive material like carbon,
etc......while being coated with the conductive copper.
the beauty of metals that electrons can move about from one atom to another.....by way of displacement via metal's crystaline lattice structure with the metal nuclei surounded by a sea of mobile valence electrons....one moves in and forces another to vacate.....the rate of this movement is relative to the resistance measured in OHMs....
the higher the conductibity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff...
the higher strand count cables are generaly more manueverable than the thick strand count stuff....
now that we have this out of the way.....
The shielded cable (oxygen free) helps prevent oxidation of the cable over a long period of time.....this helps keep the performance of the cable consistent over a long period of time.
Let's say we did form a thin oxide layer on the copper....most electrons flow within the copper lattice structure....so the effects on resistance are negligible.....now wait a few months or years....the oxidation "consumes" the copper......leaving less and less.....this elevates resistance....and ruins performance.....so yes....the shielded stuff is better longevity wise.
re:how does Monster Cable stay in business?
------------------------------------------------------------
Marketing.........
I also agree that increasing the size of the gauge speaker wire won't improve sound quality much at all.....the main reason you want to go get that good 16 AWG wire is the shielding....the stuff we get with the speakers has such a thin jacket and is marginal in quality.
If running more power (via power upgrade) then purchasing the corresponding awg wire would be the right thing to do.
If you inform yourself with good info and shop around......you won't be wasting your money on good stuff.
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Capone
Oxidation "consuming the copper" is hogwash...you havent been around very long I guess. I've seen some very, very old wiring out of homes and equipment that when the insulation is stripped back the wire is shiny...like new! So, beleiving that your wire is going to be consumed by corrosion is pretty funny. This whole country must in need of rewire.
It's funny how people twist things around...you quote me and then change to quote to suit your scenario by trying to make a claim that I said current ONLY travels on the outside of the wire?? Reread my friend,You need to learn to read a little better before you contridict something that does not exist in a quote!Higher strand count wire has higher current carrying capabilities. Yes, current does travel through the entire wire, saying that current travels on the outside wasent intended to be interpeted as current not traveling through the entire wire. When you have a higher strand count you increase the surface area, therefore there is less resistance and more current carrying capabitlity . You will have more current pass over the outer surface of the wire as electricity will take the path of least resistance. Check into it!
Oh yeah, companies like Kimber making silver stranded wire have less resistance than copper. Gold and Platinum do not have less resistance, again do your homework based on electrical properties.
Gold (AU) electrical condutivity % of copper is 71.2%
Platinum (PT) electrical condutivity % of copper is 17.5%
Silver (AG) electrical conductivity % of copper is 106%
If you have a 1 mil diameter of gold wire you will have a specific resistance of 14.7k ,with copper of the like diameter the resistance drops to 10.8k then go to silver and you have the least resistance at 9.7k.
Anyhow, I agree that shopping around and buying quality well built electronics is your best bet! I like and own many high end products. Proven techniques based on sound electrical principals such as good shielding are your best bet. Getting caught up in the hype is where they oversell you your wires that wont corrode.
Oxidation "consuming the copper" is hogwash...you havent been around very long I guess. I've seen some very, very old wiring out of homes and equipment that when the insulation is stripped back the wire is shiny...like new! So, beleiving that your wire is going to be consumed by corrosion is pretty funny. This whole country must in need of rewire.
It's funny how people twist things around...you quote me and then change to quote to suit your scenario by trying to make a claim that I said current ONLY travels on the outside of the wire?? Reread my friend,You need to learn to read a little better before you contridict something that does not exist in a quote!Higher strand count wire has higher current carrying capabilities. Yes, current does travel through the entire wire, saying that current travels on the outside wasent intended to be interpeted as current not traveling through the entire wire. When you have a higher strand count you increase the surface area, therefore there is less resistance and more current carrying capabitlity . You will have more current pass over the outer surface of the wire as electricity will take the path of least resistance. Check into it!
Oh yeah, companies like Kimber making silver stranded wire have less resistance than copper. Gold and Platinum do not have less resistance, again do your homework based on electrical properties.
Gold (AU) electrical condutivity % of copper is 71.2%
Platinum (PT) electrical condutivity % of copper is 17.5%
Silver (AG) electrical conductivity % of copper is 106%
If you have a 1 mil diameter of gold wire you will have a specific resistance of 14.7k ,with copper of the like diameter the resistance drops to 10.8k then go to silver and you have the least resistance at 9.7k.
Anyhow, I agree that shopping around and buying quality well built electronics is your best bet! I like and own many high end products. Proven techniques based on sound electrical principals such as good shielding are your best bet. Getting caught up in the hype is where they oversell you your wires that wont corrode.
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With that being said, I too know that silver has a lower resistance. And back to what I said before, and I think you'll agree with me is that for the use of wire/cable for speakers, as long as the resistance is kept under 5% of the speaker impedance there should be no "audible" difference in sound. By saying that, you can use a greater distance of the same guage silver wires than copper wires.
I do have to thank everyone for these posts. There has been alot of good info along with a few bad, but it's ok. We're not trying to start any wars here or anything, just get the correct info to the public is all.
I do have to thank everyone for these posts. There has been alot of good info along with a few bad, but it's ok. We're not trying to start any wars here or anything, just get the correct info to the public is all.
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Good post jc, we all just want the correct info to get out there. Thats what I do for a living. I run an inspection company. The majority of all the problems occur when the consumer does work that doesnt comply with code and scientific facts or principals. They often will get arguementitive and usually make the statement that "its how or what the salesman told me down at xyz company". This is always thrown out of court, and often refused by insurance companys. It causes alot of injuries, fires and unsafe homes, vehicles, boats, etc. Electrical is one of the most violated systems out there.
Ignorance is not an excuse, the information is out there, please use it.
Were not trying to start any wars here either...just making sure the "facts" are presented, not fluff.
Ignorance is not an excuse, the information is out there, please use it.
Were not trying to start any wars here either...just making sure the "facts" are presented, not fluff.
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Capone
Oxidation "consuming the copper" is hogwash...you havent been around very long I guess.
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Hmmm perhaps all the chemists in the world are wrong....
education what a waste of money....
I've seen some very, very old wiring out of homes and equipment that when the insulation is stripped back the wire is shiny...like new!
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Your scenario is one of millions of possibilities......you can't generalize given the right conditions of violation the copper will erode I have seen lots of green powder in the cracked insulation on cheap wiring jobs.
So, beleiving that your wire is going to be consumed by corrosion is pretty funny. This whole country must in need of rewire.
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Let me requote you:"Electrical is one of the most violated systems out there."
It's funny how people twist things around...you quote me and then change to quote to suit your scenario by trying to make a claim that I said current ONLY travels on the outside of the wire??
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I didn't twist ANYTHING I copied and pasted your typing.....
Why are you getting all bent out of shape?
Reread my friend,You need to learn to read a little better before you contridict something that does not exist in a quote!
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copy and paste doesn't lie!!!
Higher strand count wire has higher current carrying capabilities. Yes, current does travel through the entire wire, saying that current travels on the outside wasent intended to be interpeted as current not traveling through the entire wire.
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SO what you're saying is that I didn't contradict you.....Don't take things as a personal attack....geeze...I agree with you
just not about the current traveling only on the surface...
the multiple surfaces are good because the electrons will follow the path of least resistance...this means better flow I agree...
the lower number of paths the warmer the wire will get meaning
there is more resistance there....
When you have a higher strand count you increase the surface area, therefore there is less resistance and more current carrying capabitlity . You will have more current pass over the outer surface of the wire as electricity will take the path of least resistance. Check into it!
---------------------------------------------
DOn't have to because you are right on the money!!
Oh yeah, companies like Kimber making silver stranded wire have less resistance than copper. Gold and Platinum do not have less resistance, again do your homework based on electrical properties.
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I merely stated their use for industry and high end consumer stuff
I made no such comparisons....let me repost my typing in order to help convince you
"the higher the conductibity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff..."
DO you see me comparing conductivity between gold, copper, platinum and silver here?....talk about twisting things!!!
Gold (AU) electrical condutivity % of copper is 71.2%
Platinum (PT) electrical condutivity % of copper is 17.5%
Silver (AG) electrical conductivity % of copper is 106%
If you have a 1 mil diameter of gold wire you will have a specific resistance of 14.7k ,with copper of the like diameter the resistance drops to 10.8k then go to silver and you have the least resistance at 9.7k.
Anyhow, I agree that shopping around and buying quality well built electronics is your best bet! I like and own many high end products. Proven techniques based on sound electrical principals such as good shielding are your best bet. Getting caught up in the hype is where they oversell you your wires that wont corrode
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Given the hypothetical situation I typed....regarding prolonged use of the cables.....would you say we agree?
You are right....a large portion of our electrical system does need overhauling....
Next on Jerry Springer!!!
Oxidation "consuming the copper" is hogwash...you havent been around very long I guess.
--------------------------------------------------
Hmmm perhaps all the chemists in the world are wrong....
education what a waste of money....
I've seen some very, very old wiring out of homes and equipment that when the insulation is stripped back the wire is shiny...like new!
---------------------------------------------
Your scenario is one of millions of possibilities......you can't generalize given the right conditions of violation the copper will erode I have seen lots of green powder in the cracked insulation on cheap wiring jobs.
So, beleiving that your wire is going to be consumed by corrosion is pretty funny. This whole country must in need of rewire.
-----------------------------------------------
Let me requote you:"Electrical is one of the most violated systems out there."
It's funny how people twist things around...you quote me and then change to quote to suit your scenario by trying to make a claim that I said current ONLY travels on the outside of the wire??
-------------------------------------------------
I didn't twist ANYTHING I copied and pasted your typing.....
Why are you getting all bent out of shape?
Reread my friend,You need to learn to read a little better before you contridict something that does not exist in a quote!
-----------------------------------------------
copy and paste doesn't lie!!!
Higher strand count wire has higher current carrying capabilities. Yes, current does travel through the entire wire, saying that current travels on the outside wasent intended to be interpeted as current not traveling through the entire wire.
---------------------------------
SO what you're saying is that I didn't contradict you.....Don't take things as a personal attack....geeze...I agree with you
just not about the current traveling only on the surface...
the multiple surfaces are good because the electrons will follow the path of least resistance...this means better flow I agree...
the lower number of paths the warmer the wire will get meaning
there is more resistance there....
When you have a higher strand count you increase the surface area, therefore there is less resistance and more current carrying capabitlity . You will have more current pass over the outer surface of the wire as electricity will take the path of least resistance. Check into it!
---------------------------------------------
DOn't have to because you are right on the money!!
Oh yeah, companies like Kimber making silver stranded wire have less resistance than copper. Gold and Platinum do not have less resistance, again do your homework based on electrical properties.
-------------------------------
I merely stated their use for industry and high end consumer stuff
I made no such comparisons....let me repost my typing in order to help convince you
"the higher the conductibity, the more maleable the metal....this is why Platinum and Gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff..."
DO you see me comparing conductivity between gold, copper, platinum and silver here?....talk about twisting things!!!
Gold (AU) electrical condutivity % of copper is 71.2%
Platinum (PT) electrical condutivity % of copper is 17.5%
Silver (AG) electrical conductivity % of copper is 106%
If you have a 1 mil diameter of gold wire you will have a specific resistance of 14.7k ,with copper of the like diameter the resistance drops to 10.8k then go to silver and you have the least resistance at 9.7k.
Anyhow, I agree that shopping around and buying quality well built electronics is your best bet! I like and own many high end products. Proven techniques based on sound electrical principals such as good shielding are your best bet. Getting caught up in the hype is where they oversell you your wires that wont corrode
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Given the hypothetical situation I typed....regarding prolonged use of the cables.....would you say we agree?
You are right....a large portion of our electrical system does need overhauling....
Next on Jerry Springer!!!
Last edited by Capone; Jan 28, 2004 at 06:05 PM.
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One more point I wanted to make was that older wiring in the home can look pretty good after 20 years......
Automotive wire/cable is exposed to heat, cold, moisture, dryness, contaminants like sulfuric acid vapors, petroleum residue etc etc...
especially the run from the firewall to the battery.....
comparing the wiring from the home to the wiring in a car is like comparing apples to peaches.
Funny thing is.....the shielding on the so called "oxygen free" cable is very thick......the layer that meets up with the wire strands....is almost
impregnated into the outter cable strands......
so...the jury is in....
Thick shielding, High strand count, continuous cable runs
and using the right AWG for the job is the ticket....
There are good deals out there....but you must shop around to get the best bang for your buck.
Here is a place where you will pay dimes on the dollar for the same quality cable we all want.
www.partsexpress.com
here is a set of good RCA cords that far outmatch the monster stuff and look at the price!!! Radio shack charges more for their garbage!!!
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...&st3=-74641349
cheers
R
Automotive wire/cable is exposed to heat, cold, moisture, dryness, contaminants like sulfuric acid vapors, petroleum residue etc etc...
especially the run from the firewall to the battery.....
comparing the wiring from the home to the wiring in a car is like comparing apples to peaches.
Funny thing is.....the shielding on the so called "oxygen free" cable is very thick......the layer that meets up with the wire strands....is almost
impregnated into the outter cable strands......
so...the jury is in....
Thick shielding, High strand count, continuous cable runs
and using the right AWG for the job is the ticket....
There are good deals out there....but you must shop around to get the best bang for your buck.
Here is a place where you will pay dimes on the dollar for the same quality cable we all want.
www.partsexpress.com
here is a set of good RCA cords that far outmatch the monster stuff and look at the price!!! Radio shack charges more for their garbage!!!
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...&st3=-74641349
cheers
R
Last edited by Capone; Jan 28, 2004 at 11:42 PM.
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Capone,
I'm just trying to be sure that statements are understood, not trying to rain on anyones parade.
For instance, your statement " the higher the conductiblity, the more maleable the metal... this is why platinum and gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff"
This statement would lead one to beleive you position on this matter is that gold and platinum have superior conductabiity over other materials including more commomly used conductor materials such as copper,no?
Anyhow, yes your baattery cables do get corroded, thats for sure. Ive often wondered how some battery cables even worked at all with the amount of corrosion in them!
Thanks for the links!
I'm just trying to be sure that statements are understood, not trying to rain on anyones parade.
For instance, your statement " the higher the conductiblity, the more maleable the metal... this is why platinum and gold are used for industry equipment and high end consumer stuff"
This statement would lead one to beleive you position on this matter is that gold and platinum have superior conductabiity over other materials including more commomly used conductor materials such as copper,no?
Anyhow, yes your baattery cables do get corroded, thats for sure. Ive often wondered how some battery cables even worked at all with the amount of corrosion in them!
Thanks for the links!
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re:This statement would lead one to beleive your position on this matter is that gold and platinum have superior conductabiity over other materials including more commomly used conductor materials such as copper,no?
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I can see what you mean.....
However, the fact that Copper is the more conductive than Gold or Platinum
and it costs less would lead others to believe that copper would be more feasible......
If I believed that the other metals were superior in conductivity I would have spelled it out....But I know silver and copper are among the best
I have worked for Texas Instruments (Thinfilms and Chemlab) for over 6 years.......and we used layers of platinum, arsenic and antimony to dope the chips with metal.....along with dielectric layers to act as buffers.
The reason they used these metals was rate of deposition and ability to deposit the metal.....new techniques and higher current implanters are being developed to deposit copper in the form of a gas compound.....and it will be this way for a long time to come. But because copper is better doesn't mean silver, gold and platinum don't have a place in high end components.
Why don't they coat the RCA mounts with copper? or the speaker mounts for that matter?
Anyhow.....should you guys need more connections for affordable audio stuff...shoot me an email or pm.
I believe this post was excellent and has alot of good information in it from everyone.
I believe it doesn't pay to pay for a name.....if you must have it....
shop around...you'll be suprised at the deals out there.
------------------------------------------------
I can see what you mean.....
However, the fact that Copper is the more conductive than Gold or Platinum
and it costs less would lead others to believe that copper would be more feasible......
If I believed that the other metals were superior in conductivity I would have spelled it out....But I know silver and copper are among the best
I have worked for Texas Instruments (Thinfilms and Chemlab) for over 6 years.......and we used layers of platinum, arsenic and antimony to dope the chips with metal.....along with dielectric layers to act as buffers.
The reason they used these metals was rate of deposition and ability to deposit the metal.....new techniques and higher current implanters are being developed to deposit copper in the form of a gas compound.....and it will be this way for a long time to come. But because copper is better doesn't mean silver, gold and platinum don't have a place in high end components.
Why don't they coat the RCA mounts with copper? or the speaker mounts for that matter?
Anyhow.....should you guys need more connections for affordable audio stuff...shoot me an email or pm.
I believe this post was excellent and has alot of good information in it from everyone.
I believe it doesn't pay to pay for a name.....if you must have it....
shop around...you'll be suprised at the deals out there.
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 649
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re:This statement would lead one to beleive your position on this matter is that gold and platinum have superior conductabiity over other materials including more commomly used conductor materials such as copper,no?
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I can see what you mean.....
However, the fact that Copper is the more conductive than Gold or Platinum
and it costs less would lead others to believe that copper would be more feasible......
If I believed that the other metals were superior in conductivity I would have spelled it out....But I know silver and copper are among the best
I have worked for Texas Instruments (Thinfilms and Chemlab) for over 6 years.......and we used layers of platinum, arsenic and antimony to dope the chips with metal.....along with dielectric layers to act as buffers.
The reason they used these metals was rate of deposition and ability to deposit the metal.....new techniques and higher current implanters are being developed to deposit copper in the form of a gas compound.....and it will be this way for a long time to come. But because copper is better doesn't mean silver, gold and platinum don't have a place in high end components.
Why don't they coat the RCA mounts with copper? or the speaker mounts for that matter?
Anyhow.....should you guys need more connections for affordable audio stuff...shoot me an email or pm.
I believe this post was excellent and has alot of good information in it from everyone.
I believe it doesn't pay to pay for a name.....if you must have it....
shop around...you'll be suprised at the deals out there.
------------------------------------------------
I can see what you mean.....
However, the fact that Copper is the more conductive than Gold or Platinum
and it costs less would lead others to believe that copper would be more feasible......
If I believed that the other metals were superior in conductivity I would have spelled it out....But I know silver and copper are among the best
I have worked for Texas Instruments (Thinfilms and Chemlab) for over 6 years.......and we used layers of platinum, arsenic and antimony to dope the chips with metal.....along with dielectric layers to act as buffers.
The reason they used these metals was rate of deposition and ability to deposit the metal.....new techniques and higher current implanters are being developed to deposit copper in the form of a gas compound.....and it will be this way for a long time to come. But because copper is better doesn't mean silver, gold and platinum don't have a place in high end components.
Why don't they coat the RCA mounts with copper? or the speaker mounts for that matter?
Anyhow.....should you guys need more connections for affordable audio stuff...shoot me an email or pm.
I believe this post was excellent and has alot of good information in it from everyone.
I believe it doesn't pay to pay for a name.....if you must have it....
shop around...you'll be suprised at the deals out there.