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Someone is selling a 352 engine out of a car (don't remember the model). It is complete from pan to carb and appears to be in decent shape. It comes with the original four barrel carb and intake. It is completely dissasembled and the internals have no major flaws. So, how much is it worth?
How much is the 4-barrel carb and intake worth alone? The carb could probably stand to be rebuilt, but it may not be necessary. The intake would work on my 390, right?
Also, isn't the 352 crank shaft used to turn a 360 into a 390?
thanks alot for the help
brad
How much is the 4-barrel carb and intake worth alone? The carb could probably stand to be rebuilt, but it may not be necessary. The intake would work on my 390, right?
Also, isn't the 352 crank shaft used to turn a 360 into a 390?
thanks alot for the help
brad
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well you need a 390 crank and rods to turn a 360 into a 390 not a 352 crank thats 3 in the 390's crank is 3.78, and the intake and carb off the 352 would work fine on the 390, but really the intake and carb isnt worth a lot, you can usually find them all over, as for how much is the whole thing worth, i would say not that much maybe a couple hundred at the most.
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Save your money. About the only thing worth anything would be the block. The intakes are to heavy, and the carb (unless it's a edelbrock or Carter AFB (the same)), are't worth rebuilding. Everything else is just extra parts
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unless you need a project motor save your dough cause all you will get is spare parts. if the pan is a front sump pan it wont fit in a four wheel drive, they require a rear sump. but that is a whole other tyrade.
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You may want to find out a little more about the car that motor was in. The older 352's made some serious HP in some of the cars. Wait on the experts or find a decode book, but, if I remember correctly, the "X" code 352 put out around 300HP from the factory. See if BB or Rat check in, they got this stuff memorized...
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I will try to get some numbers off the engine and post them here. I would need the ones off the manifold right? I THINK I heard it came out of a 67 or so Fairlane or Galaxy.
Isn't their some sort of block and crank combo used to make a 360 into a 390? I know someone told me there was some sort of combo other than a 390 crank (I swear I thought it was the 352 crank and 360 block), but I don't remember for sure. what is the difference between a 360 and a 352?
thanks for all the help
brad
Isn't their some sort of block and crank combo used to make a 360 into a 390? I know someone told me there was some sort of combo other than a 390 crank (I swear I thought it was the 352 crank and 360 block), but I don't remember for sure. what is the difference between a 360 and a 352?
thanks for all the help
brad
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Brad:
You are on the right track, this will be a good learning experience for you...
Here you go. The 352 has the same crank as a 360, but the 360 has a larger bore (4.05). The 360 and the 390 share the same block, but the crank and rods for the 390 are different. Because of the similarities of the three, If you bore the 352 .050 over (you have a 360) and add a crank, rod and pistons from a 390, you are up to a 390.
The motor you are looking to buy may already be a 390. The manifold numbers are for the manifold only and will basically give you date information, no help for the displacement. There is a stamped number on the crank, one of the journal, like a 2U or something to that effect. If you know what the crank id number is, that will tell you what it is. All this of course taking into account you mentioned the motor was a basket case.
Find some more number info and post it, we will assist in your quest.
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You are on the right track, this will be a good learning experience for you...
Here you go. The 352 has the same crank as a 360, but the 360 has a larger bore (4.05). The 360 and the 390 share the same block, but the crank and rods for the 390 are different. Because of the similarities of the three, If you bore the 352 .050 over (you have a 360) and add a crank, rod and pistons from a 390, you are up to a 390.
The motor you are looking to buy may already be a 390. The manifold numbers are for the manifold only and will basically give you date information, no help for the displacement. There is a stamped number on the crank, one of the journal, like a 2U or something to that effect. If you know what the crank id number is, that will tell you what it is. All this of course taking into account you mentioned the motor was a basket case.
Find some more number info and post it, we will assist in your quest.
--Mike
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I was going to get the number today, but we didn't have school today (its at the auto shop). I will get it tomorrow. I will measure the bore also. I am pretty sure it is a 352 because the student thought it was a 390 previous to tearing it apart, but once he got into it the teacher said it was a 352. One thing I did notice was that the pistons had flat tops; they didn't have valve reliefs or dishes- is this correct for a stock 352.
I have another question in the mean time- Where do people find the 390 cranks and rods to stuff in their 360 blocks to make the 390? It seems kind of backwards since 390's are rarer than the 360 blocks, and if one were to come upon a 390, why wouldn't they just use the whole engine instead of missmatching engine parts? I think I know where my confusion is coming from; this is how the story goes, right? --- Back in the sixties ford made 352's and 390's. But at one point they had created too many 352 cranks and rods than blocks, so they stuffed them in 390 blocks thus creating the 360.
thanks for the help
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I have another question in the mean time- Where do people find the 390 cranks and rods to stuff in their 360 blocks to make the 390? It seems kind of backwards since 390's are rarer than the 360 blocks, and if one were to come upon a 390, why wouldn't they just use the whole engine instead of missmatching engine parts? I think I know where my confusion is coming from; this is how the story goes, right? --- Back in the sixties ford made 352's and 390's. But at one point they had created too many 352 cranks and rods than blocks, so they stuffed them in 390 blocks thus creating the 360.
thanks for the help
brad
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theres usually always people you can find selling a 390 crank and rods, or DSC motorsports has them, and usually if someone comes along a complete 390 they will use the whole thing not just the crank and rods to throw in the 360 to make it a 390, i didnt know ford made to many 352 cranks and rods and stuffed them into a 390 blocks, i guess you learn something new everyday.
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It's all about production.
If someone has a 390, they rebuild or build up (try adding a 428 crack to a 390 and getting a 410). You see how this works, it never ends..... The 352 was in production for some time, then they started the 390. If you quit casting two different block bores, ie. 4.00 for 352 and 4.05 for a 390, just combine the cranks of the two with the same 4.05 bore block and wall-aa, you have your choice of 360 or 390, eliminating a complete block casting of the smaller bore 352
Keep in mind that the block will have a number "352" on it, regardless of what may be inside, so don't be fooled by external markings.
BTW-flat top pistons with no dishes usually means higher compression ratios.
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If someone has a 390, they rebuild or build up (try adding a 428 crack to a 390 and getting a 410). You see how this works, it never ends..... The 352 was in production for some time, then they started the 390. If you quit casting two different block bores, ie. 4.00 for 352 and 4.05 for a 390, just combine the cranks of the two with the same 4.05 bore block and wall-aa, you have your choice of 360 or 390, eliminating a complete block casting of the smaller bore 352
Keep in mind that the block will have a number "352" on it, regardless of what may be inside, so don't be fooled by external markings.
BTW-flat top pistons with no dishes usually means higher compression ratios.
--Mike
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I checked out the numbers today. As soon as I looked at the block, I saw the 352 and figured there wasn't any point in checking the bore. I then found the numbers on the crank, and the teacher told me he had a book to check the numbers with. So, I looked them up, and it is a 352 crank. I also found out that it came out of a '64 marauder.
Oh well, I thought I had come accross something of value, or thought I might get lucky and a nice stroked engine.
thanks for all the help
brad
Oh well, I thought I had come accross something of value, or thought I might get lucky and a nice stroked engine.
thanks for all the help
brad
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No problem, nothing like getting your hopes up, sometimes it actually pays off!!! The 352 stamped on the block does NOT mean it is a 352, you need to measure the bore of that motor to see where the block is at. You can even buy and aftermarket rebuild kit for a 390 to include a crank and off you go.
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Well, when I talked to the teacher yesterday, he said that he had previously measured the bore and that it came out to the 352 bore.
Do you want the name of the book, BB? I can get it monday if I remember.
thanks
brad
Do you want the name of the book, BB? I can get it monday if I remember.
thanks
brad
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I don't know why you can't locate a 390 crank, I've got three extras I'm willing to part with,($65 each for a std/std crank+shipping) no rods though at the moment. The 64 390's also had flat-top pistons with no valve reliefs. I've got one from a 64 T-bird thats like this. A 64 390 crank should have something like C4AE cast into it, the 2U crank was a later casting. Check the head casting #'s too. The 60-61 352 Hi-po was rated at 360 hp.Also don't toss the Ford/Autolite 4bbl carb, they're also worth a few dollars, especially the ones with 1.12 cast into the left side of the primary bowl.