Pilot inj/c94s
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psdwanabe from what I have read here and othere places is that the idle issue on the 03 motors were related to the oil rail which was redesigned on the true 04's. Now the question comes why delete PI? If its due to the oil rail not being big enough to supply the proper amount of oil to facilitate proper PI operation then why do away with it on the 04's which have a larger redesigned oil rail system? And now factor in the tranny tow shift change witch does put somewhat of additional stress on the injectors in that when you let off the fuel going down a grade with the tranny locked in, the injectors completly shut off and there is a large amount of back pressure from the fuel system applied to the injectors with no release until you give it fuel again or come to a stop. Everything seams to be tied to the injectors in some way or anothere. I have been concerned that Ford would take the flash approach to fixing the injectors, thats why I was beating my drum on this issue over a month a go when I started a thread FORDS QUIK FIX FOR BAD INJECTORS. 
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From: Stockbridge
Originally posted by Tim Lamkin
That is because you have a different flash than an 03, if you gave the same flash to the 03 it would be identical to yours.
That is because you have a different flash than an 03, if you gave the same flash to the 03 it would be identical to yours.
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From: 3rd Rock
Originally posted by psdwanabe
Thats my point.
1.Why was the program I have never offered for the 03s?
2.And why are no 04s updated with flashes that are on the calibration list?
3. I say they cant, too many differences between the two to have the exact same programing. It would be similar to the 4.6 liter thats offered both in a mustang and a truck. Same engine but there are too many differences to have the same programing.
Thats my point.
1.Why was the program I have never offered for the 03s?
2.And why are no 04s updated with flashes that are on the calibration list?
3. I say they cant, too many differences between the two to have the exact same programing. It would be similar to the 4.6 liter thats offered both in a mustang and a truck. Same engine but there are too many differences to have the same programing.
It is...do not know what flash number you have but before it was superseded by "the next one" it was offered to anyone with a 6.0.
It is offered.....one has to want (YOUR) re-flash to have the latest numbered flash in any 03. If you have different flash than what your truck came with go in and get the latest one offered.
2.
Good question
3.
You say they can't.........they can
As I wrote before there is only ONE current flash, there are older ones, however if you or anyone re-flashes they get the latest one.
Last edited by IB Tim; Jan 22, 2004 at 07:26 AM.
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From: 3rd Rock
Originally posted by psdwanabe
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, time will tell.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, time will tell.
Agree
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I took my truck in for service check 04 xlt 4X4. Cold weather idle (whomp,whomp) problem and other idle problems and also a turbo noise. 6ltr guy says nothing can be done and everything fine but I asked him about pilot injection on this motor and he had no idea what I was talking about never heard of it. Should I take truck to another dealership.
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asmv6,
IF it was me, i would find another dealer. Make sure the dealer you go to has a Diesel Tech with experience. Alot of dealers don't have a Diesel Tech or the one they have just got back from his first day at training school.
Ask your friends what dealer they use to have there diesel work done.
IF it was me, i would find another dealer. Make sure the dealer you go to has a Diesel Tech with experience. Alot of dealers don't have a Diesel Tech or the one they have just got back from his first day at training school.
Ask your friends what dealer they use to have there diesel work done.
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asmv6
I asked him about pilot injection on this motor and he had no idea what I was talking about never heard of it.
I asked him about pilot injection on this motor and he had no idea what I was talking about never heard of it.
And yes, you should seek advice from another dealership. As to Blackhat's comment regarding many dealerships not having any Diesel Techs; That dealership should have told you that they did not have anyone qualified to deal with the Diesel. Are we talking about creditability ??? This is classic misrepresentation. Does this raise the issue of having to put on the work orders that only a deisel tech can work on the truck ??????
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The dealer is Pundmann Ford in St Charles, Mo this man was described as there 6ltr guy. I also have what I would describe as a spinning rattle in exhaust when I shut truck off after it is hot and has been driven a while. I know it is the turbo spooling down but I have had turbo vehicles all my life and never had one do anything like this. just wanted to know if it was normal for this truck. When I finally got it where he could hear it his answer was (that is probably normal the turbo is either good or bad). I also asked him if the variable pitch blades on turbo was intake or exhaust he once again had no idea mumbling something about well I haven't had to do anything to one yet and well you know we are still learning about this motor. I was told by him I have latest flash but I am still have idle problems with this truck but it isnt anything major but still upsetting in a 42,000 truck. Andy
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I was told that the 04/04 doesnt have the pilot injection enabeled from the factory. I noticed the new 04/04 was louder than my 04/03 before i lost my piolot injection. also the tech. that I talked to said they do not have to flash the 04/04 trucks.
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Originally posted by asmv6
this man was described as there 6ltr guy......he once again had no idea mumbling something about well I haven't had to do anything to one yet and well you know we are still learning about this motor.
this man was described as there 6ltr guy......he once again had no idea mumbling something about well I haven't had to do anything to one yet and well you know we are still learning about this motor.
This guy is experimenting on Your truck, Drive Fast, Fast...... away from this situation.
Just my $.02
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Originally posted by tn mac
I was told that the 04/04 doesnt have the pilot injection enabeled from the factory.
also the tech. that I talked to said they do not have to flash the 04/04 trucks.
I was told that the 04/04 doesnt have the pilot injection enabeled from the factory.
also the tech. that I talked to said they do not have to flash the 04/04 trucks.
As for the 04/04 not needing flashing, i believe there is one flash available for some of the early 04/04 if they need it. A tech explained to me that you only flash the vehicle if you are having the problems the flash is trying to fix or if you get a recall letter from FMC. If your truck is running fine then why flash it?
