Let me qualify that by saying no trans brake in 4-5 gear. Ford cannot and will not deny warranty claims for not having flashes done, but when you go in for a warranty repair they may very well flash it unless you directly tell them not to...and p.s. if Ford replaces a part or assy, it has to be of "like quality and performance"

 

Thats my point Andy. By doing all these flashes that disable the down shifts and pilot injectors, reduce MPG etc . even though it is a program change and not a part or assembly,are they not changing the "like quality and performance" of the vehicle as it was sold to the customer?

 

BIG QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would Ford come back later with warrenty claims and say that you voided your warrenty because you did not get all the flashes they offered at no cost to the consumer?

I went in yesterday and CAL up here said they wouldn't do a reflash if I didn't have any drivablity concerns I have MPG concerns. So i would say no on that. I just told the rep I wanted it and to think of something. I did mention white smoke on cold start up and he said it was normal??

 

my 2 cents, if you never go to you dealer with a problem, would you ever get notified of the flashes??

 

Only on FTE forums.

 

RJB1
Good point!! He just called and said the flash was done on it I will post what number and other findings when I pick it up. They didn't change out the termostat. So will see if it over heats again.

 

I too have purchased this $ 40K truck with a list of options, including the New Quite Injection System and whatever % fuel mileige increase. One of the things that impressed me was the lack of noise at idle. This new information is disturbing.

 

OK guys and gals as an owner and one who bought this vehicle with the intent of having a fully operational trans brake I am extremely disappointed and bothered by the information that has come out.

My comments to all let us continue to discover any information possible. Let’s not ask to much of emtabmm……….now. I would implore everyone to call and ask as many questions from as many different sources as possible. Call Ford headquarters be as inquisitive as possible. Call fifteen times a day, tell them what you think…………… nicely….

Gather knowledge!!!!

All of this is my opinion, and just that IMO.

 

How far can they go with reconfiguring the opperational aspects of our trucks???? If I have said it once I've said it a thousand times that this is not the truck Ford sold me and with every new flash the plot thickens!!!! I dont care for Dmax but Chevy didnt take any aspects of there trucks away after release even with the problems they first had.They still use pilot injection, engine braking through allision trans. What in the world could FOMOCO be thinking in deleating such items when they were used as a tool to sell us these trucks. I'm still paying the price from the Oct. flash and now I'm faced with the choice of do I live with no pilot injection, hard starts, poor MPG (10.5 mpg) or go in for 03E03 recall new flash and hopefully gain some on MPG but also add to list of lost items the 4th and 5th gear lock in and down shift in tow haul mode. All this makes me mad as he--

 

I am with you on this one, I really don't know where this drill will end...........that notwithstanding, we need to raise heck with Ford, not our dealers, with Ford.
We need a number to start calling them at.

 

Are you sure about that? I don't believe this is correct. If you look in your Warranty Guide it states the 3 Year/ 36K Mile Warranty which is bumper to bumper. It goes on the to state 6.0L/7.3L ENGINE 5 Year/ 100K mile warranty. This info is on page 5.

If you flip to page 7, there is a section labeled 6.0L/7.3L diesel engine coverage. It says that once the basic 3 Year/ 36K mile warranty is up, you must pay a $100 deductible for EACH repair visit. Nowhere does it say that the transmission is also covered. I also thought it was until I asked the dealer service and he said "Nope, engine only". That is when i read through the manuals.

I, too, have been thinking of getting the newer updates because of the hope of increased fuel mileage. But, now that I now that I may lose the braking my tranny, not gonna happen until I hear from others experience. Plus, I am not sure exactly while my miles are off. It has been very cold here this year and am not sure it is not related to a combination of cold, winter diesel, and extended idling. Guess I will wait til it is warm...in anothe 3 1/2 months.

I have the OCT flash. Does anyone driving in a climate similar to south Alaska have mileage that has dropped off dramatically? Just asking? I am getting about 10MPG in/around town.

WigWag

 

I am waiting for the next flash. If things aren't fixed to my satisfaction, I am starting the process with going through my dealer so I have them on my side and appeal through the process outlined in owner manual to get a buyback or replacement. I have used the expression that the truck I now have is not what I bought. It is a strong arguement if you back it up with fact.

 

WITH FACT..... That is imperative.
SB please document all the steps and words used in as simple a form as possible, and we can look/use it as a template.

The problem I see here is we are very small group that is trying to challenge this, we need numbers calling Ford and complaining. I mean huge numbers calling.

 

Fm UltraClassic
That is a good question. One would need to fully and carefully read the warranty document.

Fm AlaskaF250
Their response may support the position that Ford could not claim the customer voided the warranty.

This is one of the arguments which can be raised, particularly, when going through the "buy-back" process.

Fm Tim "Moderator"
Actually, I would suggest you not exclude the dealership in this effort, for they do have equal responsibility, by having and, if it can be shown, withholding relevant information regards problems with the 6.0L engine. ((By the way, claiming no knowledge won't work, for the issue is should they have known.)) They are a party to these issues, and by including them within the challenge (Dealership & Ford direct), the dealership may be in a better position to argue louder. They are in the middle; and they do take and sell the product -- they are not "information deficient". Of course, as Tim Lamkin has stressed, a "nice" approach with the dealership, should allow them to accept being a party to the customers effort to resolve engine issues favorably. The dealerships want these issues resolved also.


Just a Thought........My Perceptions.....

 

WigWag,
Yes, am sure about the 100k warranty since I got the 100k extended warranty as part of the purchase...

and I'll say it again - t
MY tow-haul DOES downshift and engine brake from 5th all the way down to 1st... I do it every day in my 03 6.0L X...
And at each downshift I can feel the slow down, not so much from 5th to 4th because they are closer gears, but you can still feel a slight slow down and the tach goes up....

At least that's my experience with the 12-1203 latest flash...
Why would your's act differently ?