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Old Jan 3, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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408 Cfm

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This is my first time on this forum and I am amazed on how much info is on here. I recently finished a 351M to 408 conversion. It was fun and a lot of work. My question is, I had a 600 CFM Edelbrock performer on the 351 before I started. It ended up on my 408, my 408 has a higher compression ratio and an Edelbrock cam. I found a set of flat top Dynagear pistons bored 30 over, those were hard to find. Anyway, would the 408 peform any better with a 750 cfm or would it just be a waste of money. Thanks.

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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 02:41 AM
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The 600 will be just fine. The 750 will work but driveability and mileage will suffer. I use a 600 on my 400 and it will be going on my 408 also.

Rule of thumb for a street engine:
Cubes x 1.5 = Max CFM

408 x 1.5 = 612

Make sure you tune your carb with a A/F ratio sensor or by the seat of the pants drag race method shown in the carb manual.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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Thanks for the help. The 408 runs fine now so I don't think I'm going to monkey with it.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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The 600 cfm Edelbrock Performer has smaller Primary Venturies than the 750 cfm, but the Secondary Venturies are the same size.

The 600 cfm carb should help the gas mileage and driveability, and only fall behind the 750 cfm carb at WOT.

In other words, unless you need to shave 0.1 seconds off your 1/4 mile ET, you are better off with the 600.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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???? 408 how is that? thanks for the infermation in addvace.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 12:07 AM
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Thanks Danlee, that's kinda what I was thinking. I might later on change the jets and rods around a little to see if I can get a few more ponies.

74F100, you can get a 408 by taking a 351M installiing a 400 crank and pistons then boring it out .030 over.

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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 03:54 AM
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-Or start with a 400 and bore it .030 over.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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It all depends on your cam on how much cfm you need I'm planning to drop a comp 268h in my 400. 400 x 1.5 = 600 comp recomends 650 of greater.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Correct formula for finding cfm is:
(cu. in. x rpm x V.E.)/3456 = cfm

or in simpler terms:
408 x 5500 x .90 = 584.375 cfm

According to the formula, it only needs a 600. But Cleveland based engines, which we all know include 351M/400's, like larger cfm carburetors, just adjust your jetting and accelerator pump circuits accordingly. For good street and trail use a 600 is fine, but if you really want to ring it out above 6000, I highly recommend a 750-850 cfm carburetor.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 05:57 PM
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KISS! That is why I use my quick "rule of thumb" formula, it works for street engines. If you go exotic you can do the VE thing
 
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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I just figured everyone would like the formula, but your right i should keep it simple.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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Thanks for teaching me something. So a 351 at .040 over would be?
 
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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410 cubic inches. Just whats in the race truck.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 06:20 PM
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Is that with the 351 crank like mine or the 400?
 
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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A .040 over 351 is a 359.
 
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