Which exhaust performs the best?

 

Do a search on exhaust; you will come up with a good number of post to read through.
I hope that you will find an answer.
Good luck.

 

Make sure you read your warranty thoroghly. Some dealers won't say much on mods but if someone wants to be sticky, exhaust mods can be used to deny warranty.

 

My understanding is if you go from CAT back only it will not affect your warranty EXCEPT for the part you actually replaced.

i.e. only the new parts. if you do the DP YES it can cause problems with the warranty.

Any and all other info on this would be great
thansk SBV45......we might learn some more on this

 

I was "RTFM" on the Premium Extended Service Plan that Ford gave me for complaining about the loss of mileage incurred with the Oct flash and subsequent expense of 20% loss of fuel economy for several months until they could fix their mistake.

Under things not covered it mentions lots of mods. I'll dig into the standard warranty and see if the same things like "unreasonable use (including driving over curbs, overloading,....)" and "ii)tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these system (as for example, but not limited to exhaust and intake systems)" It further mentions lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components.

Driving over a curb??? Mine is a 4x4.

 

You have to wonder why they build a 4X4 curbs are very docile...........compared to...well just about anything. Wonder if it was/is some legal wrangling because of a past situation???

 

What is "RTFM" forgot to ask

 

I just read the "Warranty Guide" provided when I bought the vehicle. Same sort of verbage but not as detailed as the Extended Plan guide. Still mentions curbs, overloading, etc. It specifically mentions chips.

I think they use this verbage because someone went rock climbing with their 4x4 and swore they ran over a curb. So be careful, all you forum folks, when you post about blowing the doors off some Chebby driver that you just voided your warranty if something bad happened when you did it.

 

SBV45

Look up the "Magnuson-Moss Act".

In short, (based on my research) it is a violation of federal law for a dealer to "void" your warranty just because you used aftermarket products UNLESS the aftermarket product you used is the actual cause of the failure.


FTC regulations state:

“(c) No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if – ((1)the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.” ((42 U.S.C.2302(C))

For me, I don't have any problem installing an aftermarket intake or even a turbo-back exhaust but I'm uncomfortable installing a chip. It seems (to me) that I'm taking a little bit bigger risk by installing a product like a high performance chip than by improving the existing airflow with an intake/exhaust.

You should research this act, evaluate the mod you want to make and then decide on the benefits of the mod vs. the risk involed and then decide if you want go ahead with the mod.

Just my .02 cents.
Good luck.

 

Don't forget that the "burden of proof" lies with the consumer. That means a dealer could say no to a warranty claim and it is up to us to prove the answer should have been yes. It would be better for consumers if this was not true but it is not practical for Ford to test every gagdet that comes along.

I know guys that believe the aftermarket suppliers will bear the burden of proof. I for one, don't believe that for a minute. I just can't see a small independent business owner filing a lawsuit against Ford on my behalf? It is my right to sue the aftermarket supplier for compensation, but again, I have the burden of proof.

Lastly, I have been to websites where the aftermarket supplier quotes Moss-Ferguson as a way to make us feel better. They say things like "Ford cannot deny you coverage, blah blah blah". Keep in mind that Ford can always deny you coverage, the question is "can you prove that they were wrong doing so?".

 

Very good point~~~~!!!!

 

I think the key words of the subsection here is "which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; " which I interpret to mean that Ford cannot in their warranty identify a product by name such as Banks.

I am no lawyer, but have experience with lawyers and negotiating contracts.

Bottom line to all this is to follow the money trail. Some dealers will honor the warranty because Ford pays them for warranty work. I think it depends on what it would cost Ford or the dealer for the warranty work and how blatant the modification. I had the rear main on my truck replaced. They did it in a about 3 hours. When I went to pick up my truck ( It was sitting there ready) they still had the ticket open to make sure they got the maximum time they could charge Ford for the work.

 

Oh you naive people, I love all of you but the reality is my manager and I go round and round every day.

Me="Is this a warrantable repair?"
Mgr= "Can you prove the defect was caused by the aftermarket modification?"

Part 1) Me= "no" Mgr = "Cover it"


Part 2) Me="Yes" Mgr = "Deny it"



Every time an issue comes up........

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by emtabmm
[B]Oh you naive people, I love all of you but the reality is my manager and I go round and round every day.

Me="Is this a warrantable repair?"
Mgr= "Can you prove the defect was caused by the aftermarket modification?"

It seems from this post (if I'm reading it correctly) that what I've heard and read about aftermarket parts is correct then. If the aftermarket part caused the failure then nasty break!

Would you be kind enough to give some examples of mods that did cause failures resulting in the denial of the factor warranty?

I would like to make some moderate performance mods to mine (intake, exhaust, 4.5" leveling kit) but do not wish to "push the envelope" and cause myself some grief down the road.

I would really appreciate your insights and thanks in advance.

 

filters/cold air intakes that caused "dusting" of turbo's, chips/programmers that cause driveability issues, lift kits improperly installed causing premature susp wear/excessive driveline angles, etc....