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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 10:44 AM
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Almost killed by ABS

Has anyone has experience with the ABS coming on as you come to a slow stop? I was coming to a stop sign and began braking. As I approached 1-2 mph the ABS started pumping and almost allowed me to be pulled into the path of the cross traffic. Is there a sensor that has been a problem in the past. No light on the dash come on. Personally I hate ABS. Is there a way to shut it off without effecting the drivability of the truck?

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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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theres a fuse for the abs take it out the light will lit but the truck will brake better
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 06:31 PM
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I'm having the exact same problem, except I live in Alaska, and it's causing me to skid on the icy roads. SCARY!! I'm searching for a post with a fuse disgram so I can figure out which fuse to pull.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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I found the fuse under the hood by the Brake booster. The 30 amp on the Drivers side closest to the firewall. I pulled it and will see how it work tomorrow. I'd be happy with good old regular brakes.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:33 AM
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ABS is a GOOD thing.

All airplanes have ABS for a good reason...IT WORKS!


You all need to go out into the middle of a big field and learn how ABS acts and try to learn how to use it to your advantage.


Remember to always press the peddle firmly during an ABS event and remember that the wheels don't lock up...This is what allows you to steer (this is the big advantage to ABS) so you can avoid a collision.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:43 AM
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I have had ABS on all my cars for the last 5 years but the Explorer activates the ABS when I am coming to a stop and literally lets the engine pull me into the on coming traffic. To say the least it is un-nerving. I know to put the trans into neutral but my wife may not be so quick to think of that. This is truely a safety hazard. But if the solution is a $1500 service call, I just pull the fuse. And today, I have had no problems without the ABS operating.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 04:53 PM
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You didn't mention if the road was wet or icey but here goes: I have a 1994 Sport and have experienced the ABS activating on wet or icey roads, even when braking slowly and at about 1-3 MPH. So far as I can find out, this is not unusual especially if your tires are worn (around 30-50% worn). I have also had this happen on a nice sunny, dry day. When this happened, I checked the sensors at each wheel and the vaines (slots) on the backside of the rotors/drums. I cleaned out the slots and vains and the sensors, made sure all the sensors were tightened down and have not experienced this problem since AT ANY TIME. Just a thought.

-Carl
 
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 06:32 PM
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Thanks Carl, I check it out this weekend. It happens when the road is dry.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2003 | 09:51 AM
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I know this sounds stupid but are you sure that your braking foot isn't also pushing the gas pedal at the same time? I have big feet and found that this was happening to me when the brake pedal went down far enough. The first time it happened to me was right after I had bought the truck and was backing out of my driveway. The truck would not stop.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2003 | 09:59 AM
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I never liked abs (or air-bags) but that changed when I bought the EXP.......If the abs is activating on a dry road that's a sure sign that somethings not right! It took a while to get used to NOT pumping the brakes in snow etc... but after the learning process I think my EXP handles great with them (still hate the air-bag idea though)............
 
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 02:40 PM
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JCurrie has a good point... I too have accidentally applied both the brake and accelerator at the same time and it does feel like the truck is pulling you into a stop. I don't do it in any other vehicle except my wife's explorer. Ford should widen the gap of those peddles. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 02:40 PM
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JCurrie has a good point... I too have accidentally applied both the brake and accelerator at the same time and it does feel like the truck is pulling you into a stop. I don't do it in any other vehicle except my wife's explorer. Ford should widen the gap of those peddles. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 05:50 PM
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I have put my foot on the gas and brake on both the Explorer and the Ranger. These are set up the same.

I actually had the Ranger taken back to the shop to have it checked out and it came back okay. I drove it back and it did the same thing. I then noticed that I had my foot on both beddles and it nearly pulled me into traffic.

I have not had that problem since I realized what i was doing.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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A few possible problems with the system, one could be your brakes are beggining to wear out anther reason is that your just not use to the abs brakes. but as the starter of this forum stated that he has almost been pulled into on coming trafic as his abs kicked in, when the abs kicks in you will acually hear it and the brake pedal will get rock hard and want to come back up on you, you have to fight against it and just keep pushing firmly with the same amount of pressure and dont let it come up. Now as the first user stated that he was pulled into on comming trafic, you either had to be pushing the gas as well as jcurrie stated (you might not even know the gas is so thin and so close to the brake you prob wont know unless you look) or you started letting your foot off the brake, the abs would stop you it pulsates so fast, and at differant wheels that theres no way "you were pulled into on comming trafic" if you were using it proborally.

Lots of you stated that you do not like ABS, but in realality its a much safer braking system then car that dont have it. The main purpuse of ABS is so that you can maintain control of the vehical in hard stopping or in bad weather to stop faster or to avoid a acedent. But the stopping faster only holds true for rain, snow, sleet, ice, any weather conditon or dirt mud, but on dry pavement the abs will not stop you faster than just locking up the wheels. If any one has ever driven in the snow or ice knows how ez it is to lock the wheels and lose control of the vehical ABS prevents this. It is probally one of the best saftey option (most cars come standard with it) that you can get on a vehical, you even get a big brake on your insurence if your car has it, i cant think of any negatives about abs brakes, except if they ever fail and the light is on it will cost you big bucks to fix
 
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:01 PM
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ABS may be good in theory, but obviously Ford has a problem with it. I have had the exact same problem with false activation of the ABS on my 97' X and even posted the same question here as well. In fact if you do a search on "ABS activation" and not "ABS sensors" you will find threads on others that have posted their findings ad some solutions. My other issue other than that this seems to be a very common and unnerving occurance throughout a decade of Explorers is that (in my personal experience) the dealerships are very ignorant to the problem. In my case I explained to them over the phone what my vehicle was doing. They of course responded with " are you getting an indicator light?" Uhmmm NO, (as with the experience of most of the posts here) I even went to the trouble of getting a service bulletin (TBS) from a mechanic friend, and highlighted (with a yellow highlighter) all of the exacting descriptions of what I experienced was right there in print and handed it over to the service department. Here is a portion of what it says:
ISSUE - The Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) may activate under false ABS conditions. The customer may notice a "grinding", "whining", "pulsing", or "fluttering" at the brake pedal at speeds below 19 km/h (12 mph). The ABS lamp may also illuminate and Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) 1145, 1155, 1230, 1233, 1234, and/or 1237 maty be stored in memory. This may be caused by corrosion at the ABS sensor connectors, a damaged sensor wire due to a faulty crimp, or damage to the ABS sensor indicator.
ACTION - Diagnose and repair the vehicle by refering to the following Anti-lock false activation diagnosis and service procedure for details.
Which I even provided with the vehicle at the time I dropped it off, and here's the part I love ( and its all in bold capitals)
NOTE - ABS FALSE ACTIVATION CONCERNS CAN OCCUR ON THESE VEHICLES REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE ABS LAMP IS ILLUMINATED OR NOT, OR IF THE DTCs ARE SET OR NOT.
My local Ford Service department tried to tell me one of my front (DS) brake calipers was siezed and that was setting off the false activation. Now I might have missed the part where I supplied them with the highlighted paper work, and the actual absent noticable pulling to one side or excessive heat at the wheel, and or warped brake rotor, all symptoms of a siezed caliper. I was like what? These clowns never even checked the ABS sensors. They just wanted to nail me for a brake job. In the end they charged me for the diagnostic I very specificly asked for, they actually did nothing for me, ad to date my brakes, ( pads, calipers) have not been changed yet a year later, because there is absolutley nothing wrong with them.
I really have a hard time believing (with all of the posts here) that every single Ford dealership is not aware of this problem, and have the knowledge and willingness to do this relatively simple service, without giving everyone the run around. These are our brakes for christ sakes. This isn't a wear and tear problem, this is a faulty system problem that anyone representing Ford should jump on. Not leave it up to us consumers to pull fuses and disconnect sensors to a system that is supposed to save our lives. Not to mention that 9 out of 10 people whom I've talked to or read aboutin these forums feel their brakes work better and brake better without the ABS connected, and I'm not the 1 out of 10, who disagrees.
My 2 1/2 cents.
 
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