15 vs 2 12's
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Originally posted by RBrendel
go 2 12's sealed. will sound good and hit hard.
go 2 12's sealed. will sound good and hit hard.
The fact is. The tens, twelves, and the 15 will all sound diff. in diff enclosures, and will all sound good and hit hard.
He would actually have to stop back by and post again for us to know his personal taste.
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Originally posted by Renegadesrun
Sure they will.</b>
Thankyou for you sarcasim.
<b>The fact is. The tens, twelves, and the 15 will all sound diff. in diff enclosures, and will all sound good and hit hard.</b>
I apologize, I shouldn't have just posted my opinion without and explanation. First of all he did not specify if he had an extended cab or standard cab. I've had numerious setups in my 94 f150 extended cab. First setup was 2 rockford fosgate 10's sealed, with a box sitting on the backseat. Next system was two eclipse 87 series 15's ported. Deep clean bass, did not keep up with the rock music i listened to. Got rid of that, bought 2 kicker compvr 12's in a sealed box with a memphis 1000d. The 15s and 12s both provided a deep end to the bass that the 10's lacked. I will never go back to 10s, simply because 12's of the same brand all about the same price, require pretty much the same power, and dont take up that much more space, and in my opinion, sound better. After I gathered up 3 grand, I bought my present system. 4 kicker compvr 12's ported. The box takes up the whole cab, and your eyeballs rattle while your driving. I love it. IMO a 12 is the perfect size speaker, for the deep end bass, and ability to keep up with the beat of every kind of music.
<b>He would actually have to stop back by and post again for us to know his personal taste.
Sure they will.</b>
Thankyou for you sarcasim.
<b>The fact is. The tens, twelves, and the 15 will all sound diff. in diff enclosures, and will all sound good and hit hard.</b>
I apologize, I shouldn't have just posted my opinion without and explanation. First of all he did not specify if he had an extended cab or standard cab. I've had numerious setups in my 94 f150 extended cab. First setup was 2 rockford fosgate 10's sealed, with a box sitting on the backseat. Next system was two eclipse 87 series 15's ported. Deep clean bass, did not keep up with the rock music i listened to. Got rid of that, bought 2 kicker compvr 12's in a sealed box with a memphis 1000d. The 15s and 12s both provided a deep end to the bass that the 10's lacked. I will never go back to 10s, simply because 12's of the same brand all about the same price, require pretty much the same power, and dont take up that much more space, and in my opinion, sound better. After I gathered up 3 grand, I bought my present system. 4 kicker compvr 12's ported. The box takes up the whole cab, and your eyeballs rattle while your driving. I love it. IMO a 12 is the perfect size speaker, for the deep end bass, and ability to keep up with the beat of every kind of music.
<b>He would actually have to stop back by and post again for us to know his personal taste.
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x2 on 12's being the best all around.
When comparing 2 12's to 1 15, i think exact numbers on all componenents would be necessary. Power ran, power handling, xmax, enclosure etc etc etc Their are many instances where one sub will be much MUCH louder. (the record for one sub is over 170dbs) Again, back to personal preference. The right 15 would wreak havoc in his truck.
For reference, 3/4 or more of the ppl in here arent even above 130 db range. (if they are it isnt by much) Not that they need to go that loud, like i said, just for reference.
I took first place in my class locally with one 12w7 and one xtant x1001. Hitting solid 144.3's ATD and 156.6 ATP, on a tight mic. My class included 10 and 12's with one amp BTW. Install, install, install. Having a SUV helped dramatically.
I have my eye on a set of RE SE XXX 10's that are beefed by RE, that can do just about anything most 12's can do....a little tighter, problem is, 2 isnt enough.
When comparing 2 12's to 1 15, i think exact numbers on all componenents would be necessary. Power ran, power handling, xmax, enclosure etc etc etc Their are many instances where one sub will be much MUCH louder. (the record for one sub is over 170dbs) Again, back to personal preference. The right 15 would wreak havoc in his truck.
For reference, 3/4 or more of the ppl in here arent even above 130 db range. (if they are it isnt by much) Not that they need to go that loud, like i said, just for reference.
I took first place in my class locally with one 12w7 and one xtant x1001. Hitting solid 144.3's ATD and 156.6 ATP, on a tight mic. My class included 10 and 12's with one amp BTW. Install, install, install. Having a SUV helped dramatically.
I have my eye on a set of RE SE XXX 10's that are beefed by RE, that can do just about anything most 12's can do....a little tighter, problem is, 2 isnt enough.
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I've had many sizes in my truck, from 8" to 15", and can say that the two 12's in a sealed enclosure was good to use for all types of music. My problem with that enclosure was it being a bit big/bulky for a single cab pickup due to the airpace required for the subs to perform. Now, I run two 10" JL Audio W6's in a sealed enclosure in my truck with a bridged Soundstream amp. I'd have to say that this is the best set up I have had thus far, and the subs don't require alot of airspace The JL's seem to deliver a clean, sharp sound and do very well with those deep, rich notes, even at higher volumes. This combo seems to perform better than the 12" set up that I ran before it.
I tried many different set ups before going to what I have now. The equipment selected was expensive (JL Audio/Soundstream/Alpine), but I've been running this combo for well over 5 years and haven't had a single problem with it. I also installed everything myself (a stereo shop made the enclosure for me), and that saved me some $$. The one thing I can say is that my music is crystal clear at any level. Just my .02.
I tried many different set ups before going to what I have now. The equipment selected was expensive (JL Audio/Soundstream/Alpine), but I've been running this combo for well over 5 years and haven't had a single problem with it. I also installed everything myself (a stereo shop made the enclosure for me), and that saved me some $$. The one thing I can say is that my music is crystal clear at any level. Just my .02.
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i like about any music except pop. it is going to be a sealed box. i dont know exactly how much room i have but it is a 79 150 reg cab. i am not gonna have it cranked up all the time but i want nice hard bass. 2 of my friends each have 2 12" rockford fosgate he2's and they sound pretty good but i want something different. dont wanna copy them. audiobahn subs are on sale at thezeb. was wondering if anyone knew how good the subs sounded. also clarion pro audio subs are on sale too. how good are they? im looking for a price range of about $100 a sub. what would be some nice amps that aint too high priced to power the subs also
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No Bahn.....the Daytons are much better and have a 5 year warranty. Bahn is ok for bang for the buck, but they have an extremely high failure rate.
Two low priced excellent speakers to choose from, with reviews. Same dilemma.
http://renegadesrun.hyperboards.com/...ead=1072002117
The MK2's can be had cheaply at partsexpress
Two low priced excellent speakers to choose from, with reviews. Same dilemma.
http://renegadesrun.hyperboards.com/...ead=1072002117
The MK2's can be had cheaply at partsexpress
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Originally posted by Josh79
what would be some nice amps that aint too high priced to power the subs also
what would be some nice amps that aint too high priced to power the subs also
Have to know what speakers first. The final load of the speakers might decide the amp....and price.
JBL makes a good line of dependable amps. Perfect for sealed since you dont pay extra for a SUbsonic filter you wont need anyway.
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o ya i forgot about the elemental design subs. i have had good things about them and they are around 100 which is about where i want. so what would be a good elemental design sub? plus what would be a good amp for them
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elemental design Kx or K series and a JBL BP300.1. get the dual 2 ohm versions wired in series/parallel.
http://www.edesignaudio.com/ep2/10kx.htm E10Kx
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I'd vote for either a pair of 10's or 12's, unless your looking for the "one note wonders", 10s or 12s are less "sloppy" when hitting bass notes, and have more music to them, rather than a single note, in my opinion, 10s sound alot better than 15s..... but thats me
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Given the same line, a bigger subwoofer will always have more linear output than a smaller sub (assuming same allignment, proper power, correct level settings, etc...). For example, an Elemental Designs 15A will always be louder, go deeper, and have more distortion free output than a 8A, 10A, or 12A in the same application. Remember, this is within a companies same line, or at least between two companies similar lines. You can't compare a Pyramid 15 to a JL 10W7.
Assuming the sub is "decent", sloppy usually occurs somewhere else in the sysytem. Improper box size is a huge factor when considering a subs "sound" (usually, the bigger, the sloppier). The power you are giving it, also. As does gain settings. LP and HP settings (most of what is considered sub "speed", is actually improper xover settings between the midbass and subwoofer), crossover slope also affects the sound.Proper EQ boosts/cuts are also a huge factor. Cabin gain starts in most trucks (pickups) at around 200-250 hz. You want to clean up your systems sound, try cuts at various frequencies (if you have a spl meter, do a FR graph) starting at 250ish. Cabin gain is usually around 12 dB's per octave. So, if your box already gives a boost to a certain frequency range, expect a further hump due to your cabin's transfer function).
BTW, I go through subs in my truck like most people do underwear. I just like testing them out. My best performer has been my sealed (1.7 cubes) ED 15A with ~1500 wrms going to it. A 8" Kicker solo (old school...the old round ones
) also provided nice low end in it's .24 cube box...same amp. Currently, I'm using the ED 10k in a .5 cube sealed box. Outstanding little driver. It's ~$125 and does the job great. .5 cu. ft. is a tiny box and it performs very nice. Even ported, at 1 cube, 30 hz, it takes up little room. Give it 4-500 wrms, and you'll be grinning like this ====>
Assuming the sub is "decent", sloppy usually occurs somewhere else in the sysytem. Improper box size is a huge factor when considering a subs "sound" (usually, the bigger, the sloppier). The power you are giving it, also. As does gain settings. LP and HP settings (most of what is considered sub "speed", is actually improper xover settings between the midbass and subwoofer), crossover slope also affects the sound.Proper EQ boosts/cuts are also a huge factor. Cabin gain starts in most trucks (pickups) at around 200-250 hz. You want to clean up your systems sound, try cuts at various frequencies (if you have a spl meter, do a FR graph) starting at 250ish. Cabin gain is usually around 12 dB's per octave. So, if your box already gives a boost to a certain frequency range, expect a further hump due to your cabin's transfer function).
BTW, I go through subs in my truck like most people do underwear. I just like testing them out. My best performer has been my sealed (1.7 cubes) ED 15A with ~1500 wrms going to it. A 8" Kicker solo (old school...the old round ones
) also provided nice low end in it's .24 cube box...same amp. Currently, I'm using the ED 10k in a .5 cube sealed box. Outstanding little driver. It's ~$125 and does the job great. .5 cu. ft. is a tiny box and it performs very nice. Even ported, at 1 cube, 30 hz, it takes up little room. Give it 4-500 wrms, and you'll be grinning like this ====>
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