Hey everybody!

This is my first post since my intro, so thanks for reading!

I am rapidly approaching a cross country move that will require a major career pivot! I have been a professional coffee roaster for about 10 years, and own a roasting company and cafe.
Well it looks like those days are over, as I am moving to upstate NY this summer. At this point I am looking at forestry/land management for my new direction in life, and for that I need a bigger truck. I've owned a 10th Gen f150 for about 10 years now and it has been a good truck, but it will sadly not be qualified to tow the equipment I need for this new path in life.

So here I am, shopping for a 6.7 F350.

There's some good trucks in my area and we don't have rust here, so anything within my budget is viable.

I need to haul my kids around a good amount, and I need to haul a 10.5k CTL with a 2.5k mulcher and the requisite trailer, all while staying under the CDL limit.

I have looked at a half dozen trucks and they all have their advantages and disadvantages, which is why I came to the forum. Who better to help me decide than the community of people who already own them?

So right now I'm basically down to two trucks. A 2016 f350 lariat that's very well cared for and only has 107k miles on it, tuned and deleted (no diesel emissions in NM or in NY under 8500lbs except for the NYC emissions bubble), recent maintenance, even fresh tires, asking $36k

OR

A 2018 f350 XL also well cared for with recent maintenance, with 204k miles, but crisp as a fresh dollar bill, and only $26k

So I put it to the first gen 6.7 owners first. A unicorn 2016 in my preferred trim, or a 204k mile base model but otherwise perfect Alumaduty?!

Thanks for ready!

Grey

 

I've previously owned a '22 F250 6.7 Platinum Tremor and now I have a high-mile '16 F350 6.7 Lariat 4x4. There are plus and minuses for both trucks but, overall I do prefer my 2016.

If the 2016 Lariat is what you want, then I'd go with the '16 assuming it has been well maintained and the tune/delete were done correctly (I'd also want the factory take-off emissions parts...but that's just me).

Either way you go, they're great trucks!

Mike

 

If it were me, I'd probably go with the lower mileage '16. But be darn sure there are no problems with the delete and associated tuning. I have no personal experience with deleting, but from reading forum traffic I know that you need to make sure you get the tuner with that truck. You'll need it if there is ever a problem that requires changing the ECM or TCM programming.

Double check the NY emissions regulations. I believe you are correct that there is no sniffing or OBD check outside the NYC bubble, but do they visually inspect to make sure the equipment is still present? Also, the weight limit for emissions inspections is based on the vehicle's GVWR. Assuming that '16 truck has single rear wheels, the GVWR likely is 11,500 lbs. Of course a dually would have a higher GVWR.

 

I would love your input on the pros and cons! That '22 must have been a heck of a nice truck!

Good advice! Turns out I'm a total doofus and COMPLETELY misinterpreted the law, but I also think it works out in my favor. Vehichles with a GWR > 8500 lbs are exempt outside of the NYC bubble are exempt.

But if I get the '16, which is what I'm leaning towards for the same reason you mentioned (mileage), I will definitely ask if he has the deleted components just in case!

 

...and the tuner. You must have the tuner.

 

Right. I will be sure to figure that part out as well. Are the tuners all married? Like do I need the exact serialized unit that was used for the tune, or will any of the same make/model work? For example if he had it tuned by a local shop and they used whatever tuner they use, would I be able to get ahold of that same brand of tuner to adjust or remove the tune? Also, what tuners would be relevant? Seems like there's a lot of them out there. What works for a 2016 6.7?

 

Well I'm very annoyed to report that the young man who was selling the low mileage 2016 sold the truck without ever even showing it to me, despite our last conversation in which we agreed to meet over the weekend.

Oh well.

I had not in my previous post mentioned the FIRST truck I looked at which was another 16 Lariat, but with 174k miles. This truck was in decent shape, appropriate for the age and mileage, and ran beautifully. Had a few minor condition issues. A small dent on the rear driver side wheel well, another along the rear passenger door handle, some minor interior issues, and a minor oil leak.

The dents and interior issues don't bother me much, but the guy said they wouldn't sell it without fixing the oil leak first, which is obviously a good thing. The last time I talked to him he said that their in house mechanic had looked at it and determined it was the front cover (I had suspected the upper oil pan) and said it was on schedule for repair.

Other notable factors are it has some nice bilsteins, and appears to have a minor lift despite currently riding on stock size tires which don't look great and one doesn't match, so that will have to be resolved. Has the rear locker which the others did not so that's nice, and has a turnover ball. I *might* be able to talk him into throwing in a winch/bumper off another truck they have in stock as well.

Right at $30k for this one which is well under book.

So the quest continues.

 

Front cover eh? Funny, my buddy just bought a 17 Ram with the 6.7. Apparently they are notorious for "front cover" oil leaks. $5000 to fix it is the price. Granted your looking at Fords, just saying.

 

Yeah I can't imagine it's an easy repair. Anytime you have to open the case it's an ordeal. Most likely removing the entire accessory, cooling, and intake systems. In some cases the oil pan. All to replace a seal. Not technical work, not difficult in most cases, just tedious. Plus the 6.7 PS has two different dedicated cooling systems if I am not mistaken? Two water pumps, two loops to drain. Sounds like a nightmare.

Good thing they agreed to fix it before they sold the truck.

But so far I haven't heard back from the seller today which isn't a good sign.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush as they say. Wouldn't be surprised if I lost that one trying to chase down the 107k truck.

But today I did a search on car gurus and found quite a few more so we'll see what shakes out. Some out of state that have reasonable shipping, just hate that I can't inspect them first. I have mostly search my local FB marketplace, but also Craigslist, auto trader, carmax, carvana, and cruising the local used car lots. I'm also not in a crazy hurry. But maybe a sane hurry.

 

My 2022 F-250 Platinum Tremor was an awesome truck! I don't drive my truck everyday and I didn't like have a $90K truck just sitting in my driveway 5-6 days a week. Plus, when something is $90K, it becomes (at lease for me) a little tougher using it as a truck. I was doing everything I could to avoid damaging it. But, this might just be me.

Off the top of my head....

2022 F-250 Platinum Tremor 6.7L:
Pros - 10spd transmission, improved fuel economy, power, refinement, amenities, ergonomics
Cons - price ($90K when I purchased new), aluminum body (repairs are expensive), shape/size

2016 F-350 Lariat 4x4 6.7L:
Pros - Price, Steel body, styling/size
Cons - Age, fuel economy, more frequent maintenance/repairs

Mike

 

That's too bad but, you never know, perhaps a blessing in disguise.

I bought my 2016 F-350 with 396K miles on it (I'm about to clock over 400K this month). It was a one-owner, no accidents with a pristine carfax. It came with ALL the original maintenance/repair receipts. It was serviced religiously. My truck looks like it has 90K miles. It drives like it has 60K miles. It never needed any major repairs. It's all stock.
The original owner told me the items that needed to be addressed (front hubs, shocks, fuel filters, etc.) which totaled about $4K. It still needs a few items addressed but, it is a fantastic truck! I couldn't ask for anything better.

Don't let miles scare you assuming the truck has been well cared for and maintained.

Mike

 

I'd go '17+ 'cause you're less likely to get crushed in a rollover. '99-16 folds like a pancake on its lid. No one -- especially on this forum -- wants to acknowledge the truth.

I'm not a safety nut -- I despise TPMS and seat belt chimes (but I always wear my belt on public roads), but if one of the myriad bad drivers puts me on my lid I'd like to have a fighting chance. I'm ~8 mi N of NM and the drivers there are really bad.

And yes I own an '11 but would like to step into the next body style

 

Well, lucky for me I don't have to answer all those questions since that truck is off the table, LOL. All I know is what I've read on forums like this, so it would take someone more experienced than me.

 

I think I would probably have the same impulse, as much as I'd like to pretend I'd use it the same, a $90k truck that is going to drag around 20k lbs, go hunting, get raked by trees, collect wood, plow snow... Yeah I don't think I'd be too stoked on that either.

But I do personally see the aluminum body as a major advantage. They still use old school salt in NY (where I will be taking the truck) and it kills everything that's made of steel.

These are the stories I like to hear, and I am pretty comfortable working on pretty much any element of my own vehicles. Part of why I like Fords, parts availability and cost. Although it has become clear that the 6.7's don't enjoy the same low parts cost as say the triton 4.6 in my f150. I swear if I dig a deep enough hole I can find parts for that thing in my backyard haha

That is not something I was aware of, thanks for the Google bait haha definitely valuable information! I've been looking for weeks and only a few have come up in the '17-19 generation. I really want one of the aluminum trucks, but I don't trust the mileage on the ones that I can afford. We do have some ***** drivers down here, but after 33 years I will be moving this summer to upstate NY. Alot more deer to worry about than people, but I don't hit the brakes when it puts human lives in danger.

You up in CO?

 

Welcome to the forum and good luck on your new career path...

I really cannot comment on the GVWRs as I do not use my truck, my third truck/second Ford/first diesel, to pull or work and just daily drive it; a want and not a need for me. Seems you have done your HW on the pertinent info as evidenced by your post. New York is a CARB state but that said, we all know what is happening with Lee Zeldin as the EPA Director and what it appears that will be happening about emissions. But that said, there is probably still LEOs that will write a summons for that, but mainly for trucks used in a commercial capacity, like big trucks and trucks with business trailers like say landscaping. I have heard of a bordering agency to mine that one guy looks for deleted trucks here in my area. I don't agree with that at all unless someone was being an azz and rolling coal.

An Alumina Duty, what I call the 17+ trucks, will do better in NYS where salt is used on the roadways in winter. But I would still have the Alumina Duty truck oiled every year, if I had one, here in WNY. I have my truck oiled every year and started a bed inner wheelhouse project, due to rust (not that bad), which I will finish this year. I have a thread here in this section but did link it to the one I did in the 6.7 section where I spent the majority of my time.

I am rather fond of the 11 to 16 generation of Super Duty trucks because I own one. My truck is stock and I would never say never on deleting it. Personally, I like running stock because IMO, the stench of emissions free diesels on modern ULSD stinks and is irritating. that said, DEF is rather a PITA but mine usually lasts close to 7k IIRC. The 11 to 16 trucks have the 5 gallon tanks but the newer trucks is 7.4 gallons -- just looked it up for a 2019 6.7 Powerstroke truck. Not much of a deal for you if you delete the 18, if you buy it, anyway.

Like stated, I would want the emissions parts as well the tuner with the stock tune on it. Many delete trucks and do not include at least the flash tuner used to flash the PCM and the OEM tune on it for "just in case." I would not be afraid of the 18 truck as long as maintenance records are available for you to look at before buying.

As to running here, I live in the hills south of Buffalo which keeps my emissions working and in order. I use two Banks iDash units to monitor the PIDs (Parameter IDs like EGTs >>exhaust gas temps, coolant and oil temps so when I leave my house I know I have to take it easy [keep RPMs no higher than 2K until she reaches at least 100 deg], regen status [only for stock trucks], a more accurate fuel level read out, OLM >>oil life monitor, ect...

I just had a regen go out almost 500 (the factory max), I also use additive which I believe helps with that, but as long as a stock truck runs long enough to get up to operating temps, stock vehicles will run well as long as the regens are completed. Owners who just do a lot of stop and go driving, with short drives, and if the emissions do not get hot enough... they will have problems.

When I first bought my 2016, I saw the stories online about these emissions legal trucks having nothing but problems and deleting is the only way... so I did look into deletes pretty hard but then the EPA came down hard on the delete manufacturers and software writers. Fast forward to now, it's a different situation, and while I am not a "tree hugger" by any means, I can see the argument against deletes because irresponsible owners were rolling coal alll over social media. But again, all this said, I am not against deletes and will never say never... I have learned a lot here on this forum and online about the 6.7 Powerstroke I own. My truck is really my hobby.

I run an S&B intake with a dry filter and pre-filter wrap on the filter. I have a Banks Derringer tuner and Pedal Monster which really wakes the throttle response of the factory drive by wire throttle up. I have a S&S Gen 2 DPK that I installed July 2023. I have other things to do to my truck like replace the track bar BJ and bushing, flush my primary cooling system and use the new yellow coolant, and finish the bed inner wheelhouse job which I will update my thread I started.

I have to finish ordering parts for my Dieselcraft OC25 bypass project as well. I've run a Filtration Solutions FS2500 bypass but they ripped me off, found out more than just me, for two spin on filters. So I am moving to the centrifugal OC25 set up.

I also run an Improved Racing CCR oil catch can with the adapters that came with the Mishimoto oil catch can system...

Any questions, just ask...

Good luck with your soon to be new to you... and welcome.