That's 130k Canadian. Works out to something like 20 bucks here.

I could buy a king ranch. Paid cash 200k dollar machines because we wanted them. And i DO like heated steering wheels and massaging seats. But a truck i work or pull with is just going to get thrashed. I had the gooseneck on my newer one the other day and went over a bump and the neck hit my tailgate. Lol. Crumbled the tin can metal and made the camera no longer looking at the hitch. My fault for not removing the tailgate BUT half the time if you remove the tailgate you get errors.

Ive made probably 25k or more over the years fixing and diagnosing ford trucks that the door didn't know it was shut. Lol. Plastic sensor or wiring...... who knows. And by the time I get it at the shop the owner has already screwed more up.

Made at least 100k over 20 years on 4x4 systems that wouldnt work. Fords awful IWE. 4x4 shift module/ controller on for trucks. Smoking vacuum lines too find where they broke on ranger and s10. Actuators on GM. Dog bones on Mopar. Tcase shift motors on everything. On a truck that should have had a stick and locking hubs and there would never been an issue.

then window switches. Resetting one touch windows. Door lock issues. Etc etc.

If I could order brand new 2010 xl gas trucks, 6 speed, manual tcase, halogen bulbs, no can-bus etc. I'd order 10 today and never fool with another new work truck. I'm in the camp that things they have way too much crap on them to break. Ive seen customers pay 14-15k to fix their pickup. We have gone wrong when a 200k mile truck can take 15k dollars to fix it. Back in 2000 15k would buy you a new one. My newer f150 has 26 module I think. Just 25 years ago you 2 or 3.

But my commuters, I'm with the op. I buy something cool sounding. Platinum, diamond, infinity, Lexus, limited, prime, denali....something loaded. Nothing beats heated hands and a heated/cooled cup holder. And keep it under warranty. I never liked the king ranch interior though. Too......Texas. I have horses and I have saddles (amd single and double trees and all that goodness) and its nothing but memories of blisters and hot sun and misery. Lol. Plus most KR I see look stupid inside. I'll choose heated and cooled and massaging cloth over leather anyway. But I havent looked in a king ranch in several years. Maybe 2015ish. But the leather was two tone and ugly (to me) and stiff. And the stitching was scratchy with no shirt on. Reminded me of my torture seats in my 70 f250. Lol. Take the skin off your back.

But then again, why use a miserable 250 or 2500 or bigger for a commuter. If i want to get 12 mpg and be beat to death, I'm in a fast car. Otherwise I'm in a nice riding suv or half ton at most. The difference in ride and driving is huge. I wont buy a dodge but the newer Mopar half tons ride as good as anything mercedes or caddilac ever made. And a decent appointed new F150 or GM truck is close behind now. My kids choose my F150 over the wifes limited highlander for long trips. Amd often choose it over the Denali ( the Denali has that big TV, not that they can get along over what to watch, or they would choose it every time)

We came a long way. I grew up sleeping in the floorboard of a caprice classic on long trips. Lol. Or laying on top of the battery in a c3. Lol

 

When I was a kid Toyota came out with a trucks And it was dirt Cheap .The drivetrain and the engine last longer than the truck did. I know technology wasn't as advanced then like now but the truck
Had no issues Running wise. Now we are buying a trucks that are close to 100,000 or over. More issues .You have union workers that wanna get paid well but their quality sucks . Back in the day people had pride of their work . it meant something that was built in the USA .Then you have Ford Getting cheaper with their parts That they put on these vehicles. To make a bigger profit for the shareholders.I think Ford should start firing Management Starting with Farley .Like Elon Musk said trim the fat . it amazing they can't make a car that don't have any problemsI in the first 100,000 miles

 

It’s not just Ford.

IMO, any HD post Covid is straight junk. 10 speeds, Bentley interior options, EPA meddling. Give me a kick *** stereo and keep your heated ****, keep your lane and braking warnings, keep your damn screens.

Really wish my F150 didn’t last so long, now I’m stuck with the throw away vehicles and the never ending payments. Thinking my final retirement truck will be a 2016-2018 6.2 Ford or a 6.0 LS GM. Certainly won’t be a new one from any manufacturer.

 

Toyota might be marginally more reliable but i work on Toyota all the time too. On fact at my shop today i have a 240k mile 2012 accord. A 98 tacoma with 260k. A subaru with 280k. And an F350 with 430k (with a 5.4 no less). A 7m3 powerstroke with near 400k. A 14 escape with 400k (third engine. Lol) And an 02 tahoe with 300k. Toyota has had issues and still doesn't. The new taco and Tundra are plenty bad. Lol. The trucks had the 22r first. Known for head issues. The GR and VZ after that. Both had issues. I hate seeing a 3400vz come into the shop. Stupid injectors were junk and half of them are under the intake manifold.

I also have a 3e powered carolla at the shop 76k KM (rhd mail car no mph or miles. Lol) on it and heads bad. The 3e was garbage. The Toyota trucks sucked gas worse than my v10 even in a 2.7 four cylinder. Literally. 12-14 mpg highway in a 3500 lb 5 speed truck? We have one. Lol. Thats why they were forced to go all turbo now and are having issues. Cafe. Even a highlander cant be bought in NA form . The Toyota reliability will go down i believe. The old 2gr and 3vz and such engines were reliable but weak. Now they have the newer turbos and they aren't as great. Same for Honda. The 1.5 hondas come to the shop regularly. The old k and b series never broke. Lol


im a shareholder. The stock is pretty good. Steady and good dividends. Lol. Farley is great (and again he decides on probably 0.00% of what goes into your f series). Do you all lot remember what we had for a ceo before? Hackett and fields both never even sat behind the driver seat of a vehicle. Mullaly might have kept ford from bankruptcy unlike GM and Mopar but vehicles under him were underwhelming. Will Ford before him was the one who started the fuel efficiency crap. Will and Peterson and everyone back to the deuce in the late 70s were pretty useless. The f series and Mustang was in a purgatory and left basically unchanged from the late 70s on. Farley is the first ceo of Ford since Henry 2 that seems like he ever drove a car. Much less a car guy. Farley is the only CEO since Henry Ford (the first one) who raced and had a passion for cars. The rest were college educated buisness men. If you want great trucks get a Farmer to be ceo..... but i doubt the stock and company would fare well.

The average age of a car on the road today is near 13 years. Longest its ever been. Average mileage of a car on the road is over 150k and trucks over 180k. Longest its ever been.



Again though. Vehicles last a lot longer today than ever. I see 300-400k miles on them. And national data backs that up. Back 30 years ago you lied to yourself and said "this one is going to lasted me 100k " when you bought a new one. Then you lied amd told everyone your mustang/ camaro/ truck dynoed at 300 hp. Nowdays you actually get 200k or more and can dyno at 300 with a spark plug or two blown out.

They used to do surveys on % of each model that makes it to 100k back around 2000. Then until a year or two ago they went up to 150k. Then 200k. This year they moved it on up to 250k and the top 15 models are still over 10% making it to 250k. (F series is about 8th or 10th or so).

It sucks when yours is bad but as a whole they last longer and are far more competent. I have 60s, 70s, one 80s, 90s, 2000, 2010, and 2020s trucks i drive. The older ones don't compare in what they can do.

Personally I could do without 99% of the crap on cars today. I do like my jeated seats but power locks, TV screens, etc are what people want. Either you put them on or you don't sell.

The lane keep and brake assist and sensors amd cameras are to get brownie points with nhtsa. Get good star ratings. Same way the ev and fuel sippers get Cafe brownie points so fors can still make v8 Mustang and pickups. If not for the RV and eco-bs....Ford would be all v6 and 4 cylinder trucks like Mopar (and almost GM) and the Mustang would be dead or EV like charger and camaro.

I'll keep ford management. They are the ONE American car company that didn't go broke. Remember that. Tesla is the second oldest car company....GM was founded in 2009 legally.....and Mopar is headquartered in HOOFDDORP, NETHERLANDS.

Could be worse.

 

Creston, that was spot on. Clear concise and no snark, thank you.

And you’re right about me being a bit jaded at the moment, no dump runs and stinking trash has a way.

I’m old enough to remember the stock 302 foxes laying down 200. Most current VVT V6 would cover that easily.

Although, my brother didn’t lie to himself about his 94 2.3 ranger, 660k miles and still hauling the trash. Personally, I’ve lied to myself many times, this is the last motorcycle I’ll buy…

I’m certainly with you on the Honda K’s. Just purchased my 4th accord, the latest one is a back up. The first one was a 16 birthday present for my daughter, got her thru high school, college and her doctorate. Still driving it, we looked at new ones after graduation and she told me after figuring $20 bucks per 1k financed, “ I don’t like that math”.

Just picked up my company loaner, a 2022 F250 6.2, 6 speed. Rides a bit softer than my 250 with the HD suspension. The 6.2 leaves quite a bit on the table compared to the the 7.3. Almost felt like a 2.3 ranger compared to a 4.0 ranger to me. Have a bit more appreciation for the 7.3 now.

I’m happy & comfortable being a grumpy old man, grumbling about brake warnings, getting the truck in gear and moving before the screens boot. Something’s never change.

And my lovely wife of 31 years will hear me grumping about the NFL today, I’m not here for a god damn carnival or a circus. Show the game; F- your Emmy and your rap. Appreciating college ball and the more serious broadcast lately.

Really most of my complaints are me aging out; vehicle manufacturers have a tough road. Every 4 years we change the boundaries, WTF can they do. Ford is still making a V8 stick Mustang and that’s a good thing. It would be better if they didn’t cost as much as a new BMW or Audi, a poor man’s super car should be < 30k. 55k is too much for this old man.

And I had no idea about GM and 09. No wonder my Chubby mates get offended when I reference their Obama motors brand.

Most of my life I’ve been a Ford and Honda (cars) (Suzuki bikes) fan. And most times, I’ve been on the good side.

 

(The new taco and Tundra are plenty bad. Lol. The trucks had the 22r first. Known for head issues. )
those head issues were on the older 8r and 18ru engines, as far as i remember not the 20 and 22r which were alloy with hard valve seat inserts , the early OHC heads were cast iron, valve seats were cast in /hardened only enough for leaded gas, lead free came out the seats burned, toyota had a massive recall to replace the heads. earlier auto engines from the early 70's ,the 1200 cc3 kc and 1600 cc 2tc thier alloy had cracking issues, either way most of us dealer techs made some good money doing warranty work, i left tmc and it's dealers about 1980 so whats going on since i'm insider blind to,


running wise my family just junked a old camry, 450.000 miles the motor still ran great trans shifted good, only issue was there wasn't much body left from rust

take care of the drive line most motors today can and will run for several hundred thousand miles ,

 

Huh. I guess Ford investors are the type who don't care for share price appreciation if they seem to consistently consider the stock trading at 1986 prices as "pretty good" even with a meh 5% ish dividend rate.

Look at any good REIT like O which is a dividend investor staple, and see how a well invested dividend stock should look like that has 6x'ed its share price since 96 and still maintains a higher dividend yield % than F.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/F

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/O


note that these charts account for share splits.

 

Was you there in the 3e days? I have one now at the shop i can't get sorted.

I mostly work on awd and 4x4 just because of where i live. So mostly 2.7, 3400, 3.5 taco and highlander, 4.0, Tundra v8 etc. The 22r i was working on were old. I didn't work on anything until early 2000s.

I wasnt in kindergarten in 86. I wasnt much of an investor in those days.

Pretty good as in my gm stock disappeared and Ford is just steady. My Toyota stock went from 250 a share to about 150 one day last year. Not much steady there either. Lol. As far as appreciating i have tesla stock. No dividends at all but several hundred % appreciation year over year. Of my entire portfolio tesla stock has appreciated more than the rest combined. Hundreds of times over. But some days you will see a 50% drop for no reason other than their mad scientist ceo smoking dope on a podcast or doing a solute people don't like. I was at 450 a share anticipating a split, then he started political posturing and I was instantly at 200 a share..... Lol. So yeah I'll take Farley as the face of my retirement.

My actual 401k is professionally managed by a neighbor who works for prudential. My stock that I personally have was bought to get x plan pricing from Ford around 00 which they killed off now but saved me a lot of money from 00- 2021 on vehicles. Then when my bank got free access to a stock broker app I bought several others. 500 dollars here and there. No "real" money. I work on cars. I worked in manufacture. I race.... so most of my companies I bought were car related (again im not worrying about portfolio diversity because it's not my actual retirement. It's the pocket change that others spend on golf or going to the movies or scratch off tickets, none of which i do). 90% of my stock list and even my watch list is cars, ev, oil, bikes, even husqvarna. I let my kids buy 100 each as well just to get them involved. Two picked well thought out and planned stock. My boy picked ACDC stock (he was 7 or 8 yo). He made more money. Lol. As far as my actual retirement money, I have zero clue what it's in and only glance at year end statement. Like most I'm sure its split between etfs and bonds.

As far as being bitter. I've been there. I get it 100%. And I see it in my shop too. I had a subaru that had a constant 02 error. Came on at 800 miles. I auto crossed the car and broke a sway bar end link which i replaced. The dealership in Boone NC tried to fix the 0² light a few times and then wouldnt touch it because of modification (again...a drop link) I got subaru america involved and they backed the dealer. Then I got a lawyer involved and there was a recall for the 0² sensors and throwing faulty codes. They replaced the 0²s and reflashed it and it was fine for 200k miles. Lol. All that was over a 2 year period and 20k or so. I hated subaru for years. I like working on them. Do a few a day..... but still dont care for them.

The 04 z71 we had that was junk I never got bitter. The dealership was AWESOME. Never complained and offered to replace the truck several times. And the other trucks we had that were identical were great trucks. Some still on the road today. That dealership went out of buisness or id have another new denali instead of our Toyota.

I have a guy at the shop with a 17 escape with 400k. On is 4th engine and 3rd trans. He loves it. Had a lifetime bumper to bumper. Lol. That dealership has offered to trade him a new one just to get out of the warranty. He has his paperwork and has got a lawyer involved when they didn't want to replace the last engine. But his paperwork is all in order and they couldn't beat it. Not bitter at all.

We had a new 17 ish iirc 100 HP new Holland tractor that the battery died. Still had plastic over the door handles and such. When the new Holland dealer went to change the battery they told us it was not a 17. But a year older tractor. The dealership we bought from was out of buisness so couldn't take it up with them. It didn't bother me at all but my father in law was furious. New Holland wouldn't do anything about it. We have 3 new tractors since then. A deere and 2 Kubota. We had all new Holland and Ford before that. Even our mower us a 30 HP 4x4 boomer with a deck..... but he is so bitter that he says he will never buy another new Holland. And I'm pretty sure he won't. Lol. May have been a 15 model but either way the tractor was a year older than advertised. Even our paperwork says the newer year.

but I see vehicles break every day. Had a 2022 hemi the other day running on 4 cylinders. 20k miles on it. These new vehicles are awesome. 350 HP 2.3 liter 4 cylinders (I have 4 different 2.3. A 89 hp 86 LX. A 93 lx hatch with 125 HP. A turbo 86 with 200, and a 93 ranger with 100 or so. I never looked on that ranger but I assure you, it ain't much). I pulled trailers with a 302 powered F250, 97 with a 460, an 06 6.0 Chevy, a 98 6.5 diesel, a few 7.3, and even 300 i6 F250. The most gutless half ton today is a pulling beast compared to all those. Losing 20-30 mph up any hill was just life. Lol

With new ones you have 20 modules and 200 sensors. And any one sensor will cause some issue. So it's pretty easy to have a headache. Lol

 

It's everyone that buys them. Myself included. It's also the business professors in the 70s-90s. Ever wondered why In N Out costs $3.80 and a Five Guys burger cost almost $8.00? In N Out has their own food distribution system, and own their own stores. Five Guys owns nothing and leases everything. Most of the companies in America have turned to a short term growth strategy of being bought and sold by a bunch middle men. It works great for bit, but over time you end up with really pricey pickups, and over priced Chinese beef. In the end everyone is going to talk about it, but few if any are going to do anything. (Even the foundry built and ran by Ford at the Rouge isnt even owned by them anymore.. and it's like front and center of the plant. Tell me how that makes any sense?)

To the OP it is frustrating. It was nice having the camera button at the top.

 

I’m guessing you will probably buy another even more de-contented SD when the warranty on this one expires.

 

I am hoping DEF is de-contented.

 

Nailed it. That's why Walmart/Sam's is so sharp; they own their distribution network and property. Most retailers lease everything and outsource transportation to a third party. Retail is just a byproduct of Walmart's ability to get goods from manufacturers to the end user in the most efficient way possible. They are really a logistics company - retail just pays the bills.

 

Ya, glad I ordered a new 2024 Lariat before they deleted real leather and many other options in all but Platnium and King Ranch. The fake leather would have been a deal breaker, led tail lights not so much, but headlights are a must.

 

The Lariat and KR do have reflector LED headlights, just not projector LED. Some prefer the projector style, some prefer the reflector style. Either is better than the standard incandescent on the lower trims, but replacement isn't as cheap or easy. Some packages on the XLT change the headlights to LED reflector type.

 

The four halogen headlights work just fine for my 65 yo eyes and I drive in the middle of nowhere a lot. If one of them goes out, I can replace them very inexpensively unlike the replacement cost of the LEDs.

My wife’s pickup has projector LED headlights and heated leather seats, her Rucicon has heated leather seats too. My pickup doesn’t it’s a truck not a luxury vehicle.