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Old May 2, 2025 | 11:58 AM
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Good day all long time reader first time posting looking for some help just bought a rather complete 2014 f250 KR plat and i want to swaped onto my 02 7.3l I have all ready figure out mounting for the cab swap what I'm looking for help with
1: powering the cab to be stand alone
2: a stand alone set up for the 7.3
3rd: maybe a pdf of the wireing for both trucks
4th: cluster help to use the new cluster can I use tap in to the old 7.3l sensors ? Should I transfer the 6 7 sensors to the 7.3 for single? And run a 2 sensor set up

Any help information you guys carry is always great help if you want to share it I have heard all the naysayers so I don't need to hear it again

I'm pore I work for a living I am a licensed 310T and A so I know this is possible and have the tooling to do this I can't afford the swaphelper stuff as I'm in Canada and that stuff starts at 699 US and I have a morgatge and 2 little kids

And the KR Plat crew cab that I bought was cheaper that the 4 doors I need to replace on my 02 cause rust belt Canada

I will have a little money to throw at this as I part out the 02 lareit if anyone is in south ontario needs parts I'm willing to let the go cheap I have a fresh repair and prime box rockers inner and outter cab corners and the interior is mint on the 02 doors are save abull and 100% working has a new steering column lots and lots of goodies

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Old May 2, 2025 | 02:01 PM
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I'm guessing at a lot because there is some info missing and I don't understand everything fully. But you have two trucks, one of which has already be cab swapped (2012 KR onto a 2008 FX4 chassis). Just a thought here, but if it were me and depending on the condition of the frame on the 08, I think I'd swap the drivetrain from the 02 to the 08. Then you have the coil spring frontend.

I can't help on 1, 2 and 4 but the Ford website has updated manuals. On FordServiceInfo.com you can pay for a bunch of information for vehicles 1994 and newer. It might be useful, or maybe not.
 
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Old May 2, 2025 | 06:37 PM
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Just going over the truck today it is a 2014 with 91000 km on it Nd she's been through the ringer t case is split put power to here and she powers up but dies (cluster powers screen tells me everything is broken then powers off) its a deleted 6.7 with all the bells and Whistles afb rear end lockers the touch screen powers on for a couple of seconds and then says powering off to save battery power but can get through the menu touch screen works seats work windows sun roof and rear slider all work dash vin says 1FTSW21R28EA42393 no other Vins visible at the moment

Don't want front coils the 02 has new lift leafs all a round with a air ride system I have been putting together for a couple of years so going to stick with the 7.3 chase
 
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Old May 3, 2025 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by crashz
I'm guessing at a lot because there is some info missing and I don't understand everything fully. But you have two trucks, one of which has already be cab swapped (2012 KR onto a 2008 FX4 chassis). Just a thought here, but if it were me and depending on the condition of the frame on the 08, I think I'd swap the drivetrain from the 02 to the 08. Then you have the coil spring frontend.

I can't help on 1, 2 and 4 but the Ford website has updated manuals. On FordServiceInfo.com you can pay for a bunch of information for vehicles 1994 and newer. It might be useful, or maybe not.

The ford service link you attached does work possible because I'm in Canada?
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Old May 3, 2025 | 03:18 PM
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Your post is very confusing, you have an 02 frame with a 7.3, you got an 08 with a 2012 interior? If it has a 2012 interior either they just swapped the seats or nothing works right as you can’t mary 08-10 to 11+ electronics. Now a 2014 is in the picture?

This site has wiring diagrams up to 2012
 
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Your post is very confusing, you have an 02 frame with a 7.3, you got an 08 with a 2012 interior? If it has a 2012 interior either they just swapped the seats or nothing works right as you can’t mary 08-10 to 11+ electronics. Now a 2014 is in the picture?

This site has wiring diagrams up to 2012
the truck is a 2014 6.7 I will be installing the 2014 cab on to the 2002 I want to power the 2014 cab as a stand alone set up so everything work they way it should
the 7.3 will keep everything it needs to run and drive as a stand alone set up
I would like to figure out how to make the 2014 cluster work with the 7.3l
Run the 6.7 sensor in the 7.3 in a 2 sensor set up
tap the 6.7 bcm ecm in to the 7.3 sensor? To communicate via canbus to the 2014 cluster
trying to figure out a work around as I don't want to spend the cash to buy the cluster helper from swap helper in the USA as it cost to much to import anything in to Canada from the US right now and the exchange rate is dumb
 
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Old May 4, 2025 | 08:04 AM
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To keep everything working in the 2014 cab you’re going to have to keep the 2014 frame also, you need the ABS module for the speedometer to work (and other modules). 2014 has way bigger and better brakes than the 02, stronger ball joints and unit bearings.

You can add the 6.7 sensors to your 7.3 to get some stuff to work, rpm won’t work though, gear selector won’t work either as the 6.7 trans uses a way different range selector than the 02(if automatic). Cluster helper won’t help you here either as that’s designed to put that cluster into a 7.3 truck without the rest of the 2011+ truck.
 
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Old May 4, 2025 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ifrythings
To keep everything working in the 2014 cab you’re going to have to keep the 2014 frame also, you need the ABS module for the speedometer to work (and other modules). 2014 has way bigger and better brakes than the 02, stronger ball joints and unit bearings.

You can add the 6.7 sensors to your 7.3 to get some stuff to work, rpm won’t work though, gear selector won’t work either as the 6.7 trans uses a way different range selector than the 02(if automatic). Cluster helper won’t help you here either as that’s designed to put that cluster into a 7.3 truck without the rest of the 2011+ truck.
thanks for the reply
If I swap the abs module when I swap the cab will/can the 02 abs sensor communicate with the 14 abs module?

NOTE this truck has been deleted and tuned
So running the 14 pcm/ecm and adding the 2014 sensors to the 7.3 should work with out any emissions related problems?
 
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Old May 4, 2025 | 11:09 AM
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Just a update got the truck powered up to day and have been able to get everything working as much as I needed to everything talking to everything
NOTE engine tries to crank but possibly locked up transfer case is split but shifts in and out of 4x4 rear diff locker works as well as front locker transmission cycles through all gears and reads out on dash hvac sound system and heated and cooled seats all work and power and memory all work as thay should keyless entry and auto start all seam to work as well

Still trying to track down a decent wireing system Schematic willing to spend a couple of bucks now on a 2014 schematic to help me transfer and interface the 7.3 to the 6.7 pcm/ecm

Hopefully this week the weather will hold out and I will be able to get the cab pulled off my 02 and get the 14 cab set on and bolted down

Also doing a side by side Comparison I may be able to run the 6.7 rad pack everything as all the hook up are in relative the same location what should save me some time on the swap as trying to put the 7.3 rad air to air and coolers into the 2014 spot would require a lot of torch work

I will keep posting updates and once again any help is greatly appreciated
 
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Old May 4, 2025 | 11:26 AM
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The 02 ABS sensors won’t work on the 14, you’ll also have to add a second brake line to the rear axle and somehow put tone rings and sensors on both rear wheels, can’t use the center diff sensor.

The 2014 ABS is a 4 wheel 4 channel system, your 02 is either a 4 wheel 3 channel or 2 wheel 1 channel system. Another possible problem is the 2014 ABS system is designed for the weight and brake size of that year, if you got it to work on an 02 is could work poorly or even overheat your brakes as it thinks they are bigger then they really are.

Doesn’t really matter if the truck is delete or not as your just using the basic sensors for the dash, you’ll have no RPM gauge, battery light will be always on, check engine light will always be on, the key start may not work after the swap(certain pcm codes will lock out the starter), fuel pump won’t work without RPM and I’m sure other things won’t work.

Personally, I would swap the 7.3 into the 2014 truck, get the better frame, brakes, weight rating, a lot less stuff to modify(a few engine mounts and trans mount and your done). Your going to battle the front end of your 02 frame to get the 14 cab on there as the 14 frame drops very low in the front compared to the 02, just my 2c.
 
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Old May 4, 2025 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ifrythings
The 02 ABS sensors won’t work on the 14, you’ll also have to add a second brake line to the rear axle and somehow put tone rings and sensors on both rear wheels, can’t use the center diff sensor.

The 2014 ABS is a 4 wheel 4 channel system, your 02 is either a 4 wheel 3 channel or 2 wheel 1 channel system. Another possible problem is the 2014 ABS system is designed for the weight and brake size of that year, if you got it to work on an 02 is could work poorly or even overheat your brakes as it thinks they are bigger then they really are.

Doesn’t really matter if the truck is delete or not as your just using the basic sensors for the dash, you’ll have no RPM gauge, battery light will be always on, check engine light will always be on, the key start may not work after the swap(certain pcm codes will lock out the starter), fuel pump won’t work without RPM and I’m sure other things won’t work.

Personally, I would swap the 7.3 into the 2014 truck, get the better frame, brakes, weight rating, a lot less stuff to modify(a few engine mounts and trans mount and your done). Your going to battle the front end of your 02 frame to get the 14 cab on there as the 14 frame drops very low in the front compared to the 02, just my 2c.
I have planned on swaping the 2014 axles into the 02 as the 14 have afb lockers and running a extra break line or just transfer the 14 to the 02 is nothing

Need to keep the 2002 frame to keep the vin stamps to keep it 2002 Emissions Compliant and i Prefer all 4 leaf spring
 
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Originally Posted by Ontario curtis
I have planned on swaping the 2014 axles into the 02 as the 14 have afb lockers and running a extra break line or just transfer the 14 to the 02 is nothing

Need to keep the 2002 frame to keep the vin stamps to keep it 2002 Emissions Compliant and i Prefer all 4 leaf spring
They go off of the vin on the cab, not the frame, I don’t even think the frame has the whole vin number on it. It’s a hell of a lot of work to put the 14 axles on a 02 frame compared to keeping the 14 frame and all the axle geometry is correct.
 
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Originally Posted by ifrythings
They go off of the vin on the cab, not the frame, I don’t even think the frame has the whole vin number on it. It’s a hell of a lot of work to put the 14 axles on a 02 frame compared to keeping the 14 frame and all the axle geometry is correct.
Dropped the box on the 14 and rear axle is looking to be a direct swap spring mounts are in the same place the only difference is shock location and the 02 has a hanger bearing where the 14 has a solid drive shaft
 
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I agree with ifrythings. Otherwise I think you could just simple swap the bare cab and use all of the 7.3 stuff, minus the seats, cause the newer seats are much nicer . I don't think you'll get a the exact combo that you want.
 
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Originally Posted by crashz
I agree with ifrythings. Otherwise I think you could just simple swap the bare cab and use all of the 7.3 stuff, minus the seats, cause the newer seats are much nicer . I don't think you'll get a the exact combo that you want.
yes that will be the final solution once I have amended defeat
 
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