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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 06:02 PM
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new derringer

been talking to banks today

was going to do an upgrade from two data monsters and 1 idash to three pros. 460 total cost.

but, had to cancel. the new idash pro's do not work with the 2019 and prior derringers. And, the new derringers do not work with 2019 and prior.


to use the new idash pro with an old derringer you have to keep at least 1 old idash and set it to primary and use the idash pros as secondaries.



so the smart phone app would control the old derringer and the old idash...just the accesory idash pros.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 07:26 PM
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Looks like I'll keep rocking the antiquated iDashes in my antiquated truck...

speaking of which, just adjusted my Pedal Monster up to Sport 5 from City 5 I had in winter... for now.

That sux but it is what it is... those **** ers...

But thinking more about this, it makes sense because the 20s plus ECMs are encrypted so thinking that is why they had to probably make a new iDash for the new 20 plus tuners.
 

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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 09:14 AM
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So was on Banks last night with my truck's details...


This would be for up to MY19... tuner for our trucks come with the now old iDash 1.8 units.


Self explanatory... no use IMO upgrading to the Pro model because with the fact I already own the PM and the Derringer tuner, there's no way to control the Derringer on the Pro for my truck, or any 11 to 19 model year.

Like you said Fritz, we are officially dinosaurs.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 10:00 AM
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Banks told me 11 thru 19 with derringers have to keep 1 old idash, and can add pro dashes as accessory dashes.

old idash would control deringer

smart phone app would see pedal mode buster and new pro idashes

basically running 2 systems.

I cancelled my pro idash upgrade but may change directions and just not use the deringer anymore.

 
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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by speakerfritz
Banks told me 11 thru 19 with derringers have to keep 1 old idash, and can add pro dashes as accessory dashes.

old idash would control deringer

smart phone app would see pedal mode buster and new pro idashes

basically running 2 systems.

I cancelled my pro idash upgrade but may change directions and just not use the deringer anymore.
Exactly... running two systems but probably not Banks fault as all newer 20s and up has the encrypted ECMs, so that must obviously affect the way our ECMs communicate, or cannot, between the Pro models and the Derringer.

Plus, those PMs coming with the new Pros must be different from ours as well... sure, I would like the brighter colors and faster internal processor which would lead to a more accurate read on the PIDs, but I like having control of both the PM and Derringer on my old secondary iDash.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 02:44 PM
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Wait, do I understand correctly, Banks has a Derringer now for 20+? Think they would give me a credit on my old Derringer?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Wait, do I understand correctly, Banks has a Derringer now for 20+? Think they would give me a credit on my old Derringer?

worth a call
 
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Old Apr 5, 2025 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Wait, do I understand correctly, Banks has a Derringer now for 20+? Think they would give me a credit on my old Derringer?
Wouldn't see why not... especially since they were willing to upgrade the old iDash units to the Pro for $120... you'll have to send the old one back first if this is a thing.

Give them a buzz and let us know how you make out. .
 
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Banks still hasn't released a derringer for 20+
 
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jollyrogr
Banks still hasn't released a derringer for 20+

check again

it’s called the high out put deringer



 
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jollyrogr
Banks still hasn't released a derringer for 20+
Jolly's correct...


That encrypted ECM has to be giving them a very, very hard time.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by speakerfritz
check again

it’s called the high out put deringer
The only listing I can find for a High Output Derringer is for L5P Duramax trucks.
And it appears to be a regular Derringer bundled with the new iDash.
https://bankspower.com/products/derr...ax-67106-67126
https://bankspower.com/products/derr...ax-67107-67127
 
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Originally Posted by Neohio
The only listing I can find for a High Output Derringer is for L5P Duramax trucks.
And it appears to be a regular Derringer bundled with the new iDash.
https://bankspower.com/products/derr...ax-67106-67126
https://bankspower.com/products/derr...ax-67107-67127
Interesting and GM has been using encrypted ECMs since 2017... thanks for the post.


 
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Originally Posted by Overkill2
Interesting and GM has been using encrypted ECMs since 2017... thanks for the post.

If they had one for my truck, I would have ordered it already.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Neohio
If they had one for my truck, I would have ordered it already.
You'll be one of the cool kids with Derringer control on the iDash Pro... not like us dinosaurs with older trucks...

 
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