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that all convinced me to purchase a 7.3 gasser just so I would NOT have to smell diesel fuel /fumes and remind me of that part of my life.......
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California does not allow diesel school busses to idle in front of a school. No need to fumigate the children.
But I understand the seemingly unnecessary emissions controls when you live in the middle of nowhere.
But I understand the seemingly unnecessary emissions controls when you live in the middle of nowhere.
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Im surprised CA even allows diesel school buses.
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after years of working in the city transit bus industry, breathing in heavy diesel smoke in the bus barns for hours every morning. Those old 8v71 and 6v92 detroits with down draft exhaust just blowing the smoke. I have been diagnosed with multiple lung nodules. I have to get yearly scans to monitor their status.
that all convinced me to purchase a 7.3 gasser just so I would have to smell diesel fuel and remind me of that part of my life.......
that all convinced me to purchase a 7.3 gasser just so I would have to smell diesel fuel and remind me of that part of my life.......
Back in 78/79 I was drilling oil/gas wells in SW Wyoming. Tripping pipe in and out of the well you could be downwind of those Detroit Diesels for 10 - 12 hours a day while standing on the rig floor. For that reason I went up in the Derrick.
I’m not a greeny and don’t want to start a pizzing match over this subject but there is something to say for cleaner air.
Hoping for the best outcome in your health status.
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after years of working in the city transit bus industry, breathing in heavy diesel smoke in the bus barns for hours every morning. Those old 8v71 and 6v92 detroits with down draft exhaust just blowing the smoke. I have been diagnosed with multiple lung nodules. I have to get yearly scans to monitor their status.
that all convinced me to purchase a 7.3 gasser just so I would have to smell diesel fuel and remind me of that part of my life.......
that all convinced me to purchase a 7.3 gasser just so I would have to smell diesel fuel and remind me of that part of my life.......
today i don't want a diesel truck, and am thankful for having the option,
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Back in 78/79 I was drilling oil/gas wells in SW Wyoming. Tripping pipe in and out of the well you could be downwind of those Detroit Diesels for 10 - 12 hours a day while standing on the rig floor. For that reason I went up in the Derrick.
I’m not a greeny and don’t want to start a pizzing match over this subject but there is something to say for cleaner air.
Hoping for the best outcome in your health status.
I’m not a greeny and don’t want to start a pizzing match over this subject but there is something to say for cleaner air.
Hoping for the best outcome in your health status.
But look at LA back in the 70s/80s compared to today. You couldn't go outside during the day back then. You can (most of the time) today, and it's BECAUSE of regulations on emissions. If you roll back those regulations, do you REALLY think corporations are going to continue putting emissions systems on vehicles if they aren't required to? When their entire purpose is to make money for shareholders? C'mon now...we're all smarter than that.
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A fair bit of that you can blame on geography, Salt Lake City has a similar phenomenon since it basically sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains and sometimes the airmass get trapped in it.
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I too use to be one that rolled coal with my 1999 24v Cummins. Kind of out grew that stage I guess and got tired of pouring cash into it. I went gas 5 years ago from the advice of my son. Glad we have options now.
BTW, if you think you be able to find a tune that can produce emissions free after a delete, good luck! Tunes alter fuel/timing/etc., they can't add additional air that is required to clean up emissions..... That likely requires a bigger and/or additional turbo. I went through this on my old Cummins....
BTW, if you think you be able to find a tune that can produce emissions free after a delete, good luck! Tunes alter fuel/timing/etc., they can't add additional air that is required to clean up emissions..... That likely requires a bigger and/or additional turbo. I went through this on my old Cummins....
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Just this morning I got passed by a red F350 DRW, a 6.7 MY, rolling coal, on a 30 MPH suburban side street at that. If anyone deserves a fine from the EPA, its people like that. If the tune is clean, I don't care one way or the other if deleted, but to purposefully blow black clouds, besides being an idiot, it makes people sick.
Right there with you. Drove a semi for quite some time, never bothered me, but theres something with the ULSD today that the smell is acrid and burns when inhaled. The closest it comes to smelling like old school diesel is my B2410, but even that makes me gag.
If you do a side by side from the 70's and today, there is a clear difference, so if you think thats smog today, imagine being where you could nearly cut the smog with scissors. I remember late 70's early 80's when we would vacation at the northern border of Wisconsin, and when returning to Chicago we could see the change in atmosphere as we got close to the southern border. Today, it is barely visible, there is still some, but Most people won't register it, unlike back in the 70's.
And I think that's something a lot of people who never had to experience heavy smog or working around trucks/equipment that spewed it don't understand - there are REASONS for these regulations. Do they sometimes over reach? Yeah, they do. Is it sometimes too much? Probably, yeah. But they had to start somewhere.
But look at LA back in the 70s/80s compared to today. You couldn't go outside during the day back then. You can (most of the time) today, and it's BECAUSE of regulations on emissions. If you roll back those regulations, do you REALLY think corporations are going to continue putting emissions systems on vehicles if they aren't required to? When their entire purpose is to make money for shareholders? C'mon now...we're all smarter than that.
But look at LA back in the 70s/80s compared to today. You couldn't go outside during the day back then. You can (most of the time) today, and it's BECAUSE of regulations on emissions. If you roll back those regulations, do you REALLY think corporations are going to continue putting emissions systems on vehicles if they aren't required to? When their entire purpose is to make money for shareholders? C'mon now...we're all smarter than that.
If you do a side by side from the 70's and today, there is a clear difference, so if you think thats smog today, imagine being where you could nearly cut the smog with scissors. I remember late 70's early 80's when we would vacation at the northern border of Wisconsin, and when returning to Chicago we could see the change in atmosphere as we got close to the southern border. Today, it is barely visible, there is still some, but Most people won't register it, unlike back in the 70's.
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Just this morning I got passed by a red F350 DRW, a 6.7 MY, rolling coal, on a 30 MPH suburban side street at that. If anyone deserves a fine from the EPA, its people like that. If the tune is clean, I don't care one way or the other if deleted, but to purposefully blow black clouds, besides being an idiot, it makes people sick.
Right there with you. Drove a semi for quite some time, never bothered me, but theres something with the ULSD today that the smell is acrid and burns when inhaled. The closest it comes to smelling like old school diesel is my B2410, but even that makes me gag.
If you do a side by side from the 70's and today, there is a clear difference, so if you think thats smog today, imagine being where you could nearly cut the smog with scissors. I remember late 70's early 80's when we would vacation at the northern border of Wisconsin, and when returning to Chicago we could see the change in atmosphere as we got close to the southern border. Today, it is barely visible, there is still some, but Most people won't register it, unlike back in the 70's.
Right there with you. Drove a semi for quite some time, never bothered me, but theres something with the ULSD today that the smell is acrid and burns when inhaled. The closest it comes to smelling like old school diesel is my B2410, but even that makes me gag.
If you do a side by side from the 70's and today, there is a clear difference, so if you think thats smog today, imagine being where you could nearly cut the smog with scissors. I remember late 70's early 80's when we would vacation at the northern border of Wisconsin, and when returning to Chicago we could see the change in atmosphere as we got close to the southern border. Today, it is barely visible, there is still some, but Most people won't register it, unlike back in the 70's.