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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 01:23 AM
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Roll over anyone?

Been doing some research as to why Ford did not do roll over testing on their F350 super duty trucks. I believe there was no mandate for them to do testing which seems to have given them free rein to not be concerned.

Does anyone know if this is now a requirement?

it also seems that their older models were lighter weight as they used aluminum instead of steel like the Ram did. Seems this lighter weight would contribute to their instability.

thoughts anyone?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rearviewlookin
Been doing some research as to why Ford did not do roll over testing on their F350 super duty trucks. I believe there was no mandate for them to do testing which seems to have given them free rein to not be concerned.

Does anyone know if this is now a requirement?

it also seems that their older models were lighter weight as they used aluminum instead of steel like the Ram did. Seems this lighter weight would contribute to their instability.

thoughts anyone?
What instability?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:01 AM
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OP, what year truck and truck do you have? Nothing in your signature..
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:15 AM
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Ford has had numerous lawsuits over the roof strenght in a roll over which has led to many deaths. Its not just the 350's its the 250's as well. Yes, its been changed as well.
"According to recent reports, Ford has faced more than a hundred lawsuits and dozens of similar incidents of roof crush involving the 1999-2016 Super Duty trucks, in addition to a historic $1.7 billion jury verdict in 2022 that followed the deaths of Melvin and Vocile Hill, who died after their Ford-250 pickup truck collapsed during a rollover crash"
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:19 AM
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We now have roof side curtain airbags standard
improved pillar strength

 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 06:41 PM
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The truck is a 2004 F350 super duty
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by apache84
Ford has had numerous lawsuits over the roof strenght in a roll over which has led to many deaths. Its not just the 350's its the 250's as well. Yes, its been changed as well.
"According to recent reports, Ford has faced more than a hundred lawsuits and dozens of similar incidents of roof crush involving the 1999-2016 Super Duty trucks, in addition to a historic $1.7 billion jury verdict in 2022 that followed the deaths of Melvin and Vocile Hill, who died after their Ford-250 pickup truck collapsed during a rollover crash"

yes lots of lawsuits due to roof crushing. Ford went cheap on the struts so when the truck landed upside down after a roll, the roof collapsed causing death and injury.

While that is tragic, I’m investigating the cause of the roll over itself. These trucks have a high center of gravity plus ford used cheaper more light weight material. The lighter the truck the easier to roll. Adding on the higher center of gravity and maybe a crew cab, long bed… these trucks caused a lot of roll overs.

Am I right?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 06:50 PM
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What instability?
instability on the road…if driver had to swerve or encountered poor road conditions, the truck would roll
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 07:18 PM
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Been driving 4x4 superdutys since 98, e99, 01, 17, dont see it. Don't confuse driver error, or just plain bad luck with an epidemic. Deer jumps out, you swerve, driver error. Feel safer in my truck than in the wifes corolla.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:24 PM
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Been driving 4x4 superdutys since 98, e99, 01, 17, dont see it. Don't confuse driver error, or just plain bad luck with an epidemic. Deer jumps out, you swerve, driver error. Feel safer in my truck than in the wifes corolla.
Feels like a tank when driving but higher center of gravity will make it tough to not roll over if you have to swerve. I never worried about rolling over in my Honda
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rearviewlookin
Feels like a tank when driving but higher center of gravity will make it tough to not roll over if you have to swerve. I never worried about rolling over in my Honda
Over the years I have had to do emergency maneuvering and been fortunate enough not to experience a rollover but have had some hairy situations. Been in F250s & F350s since 1988 with over 1.5 million miles. I wouldn't give up driving one of these tanks but knowing the limitations of a vehicle is half the battle. 😉
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by scraprat
Over the years I have had to do emergency maneuvering and been fortunate enough not to experience a rollover but have had some hairy situations. Been in F250s & F350s since 1988 with over 1.5 million miles. I wouldn't give up driving one of these tanks but knowing the limitations of a vehicle is half the battle. 😉
I agree. However, I’m afraid in my situation the 2004 F350 I purchased, which was a super duty crew cab xlt diesel, was my first foray into this line of trucks. Mostly drove smaller suvs. But I needed a more robust work vehicle when I moved into the country.

I had no idea they could roll so easily. I know a lot is said about driver error, but I’m afraid that even a good driver can’t compensate for an unexpected ice patch on the road, even when traveling slowly. You sound like you have had some close calls and maybe your experience got you through those times.

Perhaps it is common sense to think you should automatically know the limitations of a vehicle of this size, but I would think that Ford should have provided warnings to drivers of their propensity to roll over. They did not however.

With so many of these large trucks on the roads nowadays, driven perhaps by first time owners, who haven’t driven large trucks before, perhaps they should have provided this warning. I know it would have made a difference for me.



 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Old and soft
Been driving 4x4 superdutys since 98, e99, 01, 17, dont see it. Don't confuse driver error, or just plain bad luck with an epidemic. Deer jumps out, you swerve, driver error. Feel safer in my truck than in the wifes corolla.
You roll one yet? Kinda have 2 choices in many necks of the woods. Locally one can swerve to miss that 650 lb bull Elk, or nail it head on and hope it doesn't come thru the windshield. Pick your poison, The end product is ugly.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2025 | 10:43 PM
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You roll one yet? Kinda have 2 choices in many necks of the woods. Locally one can swerve to miss that 650 lb bull Elk, or nail it head on and hope it doesn't come thru the windshield. Pick your poison, The end product is ugly.
Actually, yes. I did roll one. I have had to choose my poison in the past and regretted having to mow down an animal as swerving would have not served me well, probably would have gone bad for everyone if I had swerved.

But sometimes you don’t get to choose your poison. Sometimes your poison chooses you.

in my case, it was hitting a patch of ice that had formed from run off… in which the water could have run off into deep ditches on either side of the road but instead chose to form in a dip in the middle.

I have lost traction on ice before and always managed to right the ship before losing control. In this case, the truck spun and I had no ability to control it. I didn’t brake or jerk the wheel, but I had to try and correct the trucks trajectory as it was heading face first into an unforgiving steep ditch. In doing so, the truck flipped several times throwing me and my dog around inside the cab, despite being belted in.

It took nothing but an attempt to steer out of the spin to roll the truck. And that ditch was determined to have us no matter what. It should not have rolled like that.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2025 | 07:00 AM
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Good to know your in one piece after that one. I think its human nature to swerve instead of nailing something but who knows. Yeppers..ice, snow, critters. and a wife who screams LOOK OUT even when a little bird flys in front of us can sure test things.
 
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