Help understanding GCWR
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At the bottom of the chart, what does the #2 represent on the legend. Next to the 30k is a small #2. I suppose that would tell you why one option is 23.5 while the other is 30. Most likely, high capacity axle upgrade.
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Requires F-250 High-Capacity Axle Upgrade Package (535).
So, does this mean if you plan to tow above 15,900# (23,500 GCWR), then you can go up to 22,000 # if you upgrade to the High-Capacity Axle package? Looking at the Crew Cab 6-3/4.
So, does this mean if you plan to tow above 15,900# (23,500 GCWR), then you can go up to 22,000 # if you upgrade to the High-Capacity Axle package? Looking at the Crew Cab 6-3/4.
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If you're planning to tow long distances, the crew cab long bed gets the 48 gallon tank. Very handy for me when I'm driving through Wyoming and Montana.
Don't look at just GCWR. Consider the payload and how much your trailer's pin weight will be. In general, you'll run out of payload before you run out of GCWR.
Don't look at just GCWR. Consider the payload and how much your trailer's pin weight will be. In general, you'll run out of payload before you run out of GCWR.
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So, if I am understanding...if the F250's payload is 4000# and the pin weight of my 5th wheel is 3000#, I am safe, even if the 5th wheel GVW is above the 15,900 # ? (assuming no upgraded axle package on a 3.31 ratio)
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The newer trucks that have higher GVWR can sometimes throw that rule out, but it's still a good rule to keep an eye on.
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The question in post #1? I thought that was already answered.
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It was - it's due to the high capacity axle package as the OP posted in # 3. Of course you'll never get close to the 22k due to the low payload on the F-250 diesel.
OP - you won't find an F-250 diesel with 4000 payload, and likely not 3000. Step up to an F-350 in order to get the kind of payload needed for what you are considering.
OP - you won't find an F-250 diesel with 4000 payload, and likely not 3000. Step up to an F-350 in order to get the kind of payload needed for what you are considering.
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The F250 diesel with the high capacity axle is exactly the same truck as the F350 diesel other than badging and door stickers. The F350 has much more payload rating. It has a GVWR of 12400 I believe where as the F250 has a gvwr of something like 11000 lbs. The F250 (especially the diesel) doesn’t have enough payload to haul much of a fifth wheel if you want to stay below the manufacturer’s gvwr. There is little difference in price between a high capacity f250 and an f350 ….. just get the f350.
I think the difference in price between a F250 with the high capacity rear axle and a similar equipped F350 is $170.
I think the difference in price between a F250 with the high capacity rear axle and a similar equipped F350 is $170.
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When you look at that towing guide and see that the F250 can haul a 20000 lb fiver ( or whatever it is that the guide says) it is assuming nothing else in the bed, no kids in the back seat, and a trailer pin weight of 15%. Then you go buy your 15000 lb trailer, get it loaded up and find it has a pin weight of 22%…… you could easily end up with a 3300 lb pin weight plus the 200 lb hitch in the bed of your truck.
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Payload will definately be a problem on a 250 diesel. I have almost the same truck but it's a 24 F350 XLT CCSB with a 12,000 GVWR. Payload is listed as 4234. If the F250 has an 11,000 GVWR, the payload on a similar truck to mine would only have a payload of 3234. Put 3000 pounds of tongue weight on the truck and your remaining payload, if you want to follow the payload police, is only 234 pounds for driver, passenger and any other gear in the truck or added to the truck as options, modifications, etc... If you are going to tow a goose or 5th wheel, you really want the 350 unless you don't care about the payload police. And honestly, IANAL and I have no idea what the legal implications would be if you had an accident and they somehow figured out you were over the payload for the truck....
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