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I have a 2011 F150 with a 6-way seat.
I was severely injured in a welding accident. I have severe spinal damage. I have had 31 surgeries total with 7 being on my spine. It hurts to sit in my 6 way seat. My current seat collapsed and I have to sit on cushions to drive. I thought it would be a perfect time to get a 10-way seat and replace the surrent one. eBay said the 10-way seat from a 2013 f50 would fit and work. However, it does not. This ate up my savings and I can not send it back now.
Can someone help me? Is there a way to make this newer seat work with my old plugs? When it is plugged into the new seat there is no power. I am told the "pins" are different and will not work. I asked if I were to buy a wiring harness from another 2013 would work and was told no..Ford is also telling me it can NOT work...Now I have a very nice looking drivers seat I can not use...I am devastated.... There must be a way...Surely there is a way...I just got back home from spending the weekend in the hospital...AGAIn.. being is just constant severe pain royally sucks... Please folks, please, if you know a way to help me get this working I would be grateful...
Ford told me just to go buy a truck that has a 10-way seat....that would be awesome IF I COULD WORK....but I can't. Heck, I do good to walk the short distances I do walk...Everyone I have talked to has told me it can not be done and now I am out all this money...
I looked at 2011 models and wiring diagrams for passenger seat show capabilities for a 10-way seat. I attached the drawing here.
Can you do wiring yourself? It looks like the only input to the seat is the switch. In other words no computer input from outside the seat.
To me that means all you have to do is find your power wire and ground to the switch. It may be more complicated but looking at the wiring diagram it looks pretty simple.
If you can find a seat switch for a 10way maybe you can change it out. I don't have power seats so don't know how all this stuff is bolted together.
I do have a question. Should I try to find a wiring harness for the 2013 seat I am trying to put into my 2011 truck? I have included the VIN off the seat of the 2013 and my truck. I really do not know what I am doing here...Thanks to you I have hope this can be done. I am just trying to get all the parts together to have someone put it together for me....Also, someone said the new seat has to be programmed to my truck...do you know if this is true?
I would assume that you are replacing the driver’s seat?
@quirk625, do you have the driver’s seat diagram? I am wondering if there might be more wires to the driver’s seat for automatic adjustment of the driver’s seat settings based on which key is being used?
The 2013 wiring diagram shared for the passenger side seat just has two wires for power and ground coming to the seat’s wire harness that would plug into the seat controls. I don’t have a 2013 to be able to inspect, but the rest of the wiring shown in the diagram from quirk625 is the distribution to each switch and the plugs for each motor.
Your description and comments sounds like the 10 way seat came from EBAY without the seat harness wiring and connectors? Was this an aftermarket seat or used seat from scrapper that you bought?
From the diagram provided by quirk625,
The 12V wires color is shown to be (pink or red).
The ground wire is black with white stripe for the 2013 F150 passenger seat.
I have a 2010 F150 with 6 way power drivers seat, so I can examine its wiring later this morning, but I would expect the same color of wires for power and ground to be used.
It sounds to me like you probably just need to get the seat harness with connections to the seat from a 2013 from a scrap yard.
It is not an aftermarket seat. I included the VIN from the 2013 seat I purchased. Yes, it is the drivers seat. I am wondering if I found a wiring harness from another 2013 10-way seat if I could plug it in to the wiring of my 2011 seat and be ok. I have expended most of my funds but will do what I need to do to get this working. I think a harness is around $100 used.
I just got out of the hospital again and this in itself is getting tiresome.
Thank You all.
Okay so I tracked down the connector for both 6-way and 10-way seats. Chilton shows both 2011 and 2013 have 10-way driver seat option and both use the same connector C369 and both connectors have the same pin arrangement.
The thing is, your truck has a 6-way seat which is connector C360.
C360 has 8 terminals and C369 has 12 terminals
I've attached both pics so you can determine the correct wiring for your 6-way harness. If you stay with a 6-way seat it appears all you would have to do is match up the proper wires to the connector on the new seat.
The thing is you might have to transfer all the electrical guts from your old seat and replace the new seat stuff.
If you're determined to have the 10-way working once you got the 6-way working right you might be able to just run power to toggle switches for the rest. The main unknown here is how much info the seat module sends back to the BCM. Otherwise the extra toggle switches will be unknown to the computer and it shouldn't know the difference.
The C369 that is 3 pics is from a 2013. The other is from 2011.
Also you wouldn't have to use toggle switches you could use button switches for what is left over. Either way it appears both 2011 and 2013 connection pinouts are the same it will depend on if the new seat module is happy or not and can talk to the BCM that is why I said it might be you have to replace the new guts with the old.
There is probably a way to get around the seat module but that would take more brain cells than I have. The thing is it has some sensors that talk to the restraint system etc.
Sorry about the pictures. Yesterday I could just attach but today the site wants to make it all in the thread.
I have more info that might help but I have to go out of town right now. I'll be back tonight and add to the thread. My 2013 Ford wiring diagram book is different than what Chilton shows.
No, neither.
Everything Quirk said is way over my head. I am hoping I can find someone here local who can understand and do it for me without busting my bank.
Thank You all for the help!!!!
One more thing. I am sorry but I am very ignorant on finding things related to parts on a truck. Can any of you please tell me the part number for the woring harness for the 2013 so I can try to find one at a junk yard by calling them?
I searched to identify the exact electrical cable part number(s), but unable to find them.
You would ask the junk yard for electrical wire harness for a 2013 10-way drivers (left) seat.
I believe that the 10 way seats are only used in the Platinum models.
I understand there to be two cables for the 10 way seat wiring as opposed to one electrical cable for the 6 way seats.
From searching and reading forum dialogue where folks are swapping seats to 10 ways, they encounter the memory unit as part of the cable assembly and have difficulty figuring it out but eventually get help and get it working (bypassing memory) but without describing specific details.
Here is a link to a forum discussion that I am referring…
I also found the following guide for wire colors for each cable which might make tracing wires easier.
Finally, if I search EBay for a similar seat, I find the seat contains the motors and wiring harness within the seat assembly, so I would have expected that when you purchased the used seat assembly, you should already have all the switches and cable/wires required within the lower and backrest portions of the seat assembly and we would mainly be working through the details of hooking up the power and ground.
I went to a junk yard today and told them my dilemma and was scoffed at. They said it could not be done...that the wiring harness is a whole body wiring harness...Said someone would have to re-wire the entire seat to meet the power needs....I spent my savings on this seat and no one around here says they can do it....This is just depressing...This picture was after my 31st surgery from my welding accident and my 7th spinal surgery...I wanted this seat to help me sit more comfortablly so I could drive with a bit of comfort...According to the folks around here I have just pissed away my money. I just do not understand why companies have to make it so danged hard to just change out a seat...why does THAT have to be such a proprietary thing?? I know, money
Dang it, I am so ticked right now...I wish you guys lived closer to Cookeville, Tn....I spend more than %75 in bed or a recliner because of the intense pain I am in ALL THE TIME...When I have a decent day I want to go to town...Why can't things be easier?? )@^$*)^$@&)(^$_&@$)(&^@)$&_@)&_@&_@&)!!!!!! LOL
I am sorry guys, I am just venting...I have had over 100 pieces of Titanium and Stainless Steel put in and taken out of my body since the accident...I am a barometer/warning for barometeric changes...My normal pain level on a 10 scale does not go below an 8...this sucks...
I think the response of the junkyard folks was likely with the intention to get the 10 way seat fully functional with the memory. You don’t need the memory (different settings for different keys, etc…). It is possible to get the 10 way seats working with the switches for each motor’s control, but as I pointed out (and included the link) that people’s experiences have been that they need to include power to the memory module or bypass it.
Did you examine the example of the 10 way seat shown in the eBay link I provided? The seat clearly has a separate wiring harness included to the seat assembly,
What does the seat assembly you purchased look like? Does it have the set of switches and wiring to the left side of the driver’s seat? On the underside of the seat, what connectors and wiring was included with the seat.
Post some pictures so one can understand where you are starting from… A picture is worth a thousand words.
