Starter grounded
Last edited by All-star216; Nov 15, 2024 at 12:45 PM.
There are five positions on a 1989 ignition switch, (the electrical switch that's connected to the key cylinder, by a linkage rod).
Full counter clockwise with the key, is an accessory position, where you should have power to the stereo, heater blower, power windows, etc.
Moving forward from there, through the key positions, they go: lock, off, run, start.
When the key is turned to the start position, the column mounted ignition switch, sends 12 volts to the fender mounted starter relay, on the small gauge wire. When the switch springs back to the run position, that 12 volts is removed from the starter relay.
If you're starter relay pulls in just by cycling the key to the run position, you may have an ignition switch problem, or a problem with the linkage between the key cylinder and the column mounted ignition switch.
Here's a video on how the fender mounted relay (aka solenoid) works:
How old is your battery?
The battery terminals and connections at the fender mounted starter relay, need to be clean and tight.
The large ground cable, that runs from the battery negative terminal, to the front of the engine block, and frame, or to the starter mounting bolt and frame, is worth checking out, and replacing, if need be. The starter is grounded through that cable. That cable can corrode inside and cause issues. The terminal ends of that cable need to have a clean, tight connection.
Disconnect the starter power wire from the solenoid, then see if the same symptoms happen.
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There should be one cable from the battery positive terminal, to one of the large posts on the fender mounted starter relay.
From the other large post on the fender mounted starter relay, there should be one cable going to the starter.
On the small threaded stud, at the fender mounted starter relay, there should be a smaller gauge wire; that's the wire from the ignition switch.
From the battery negative terminal, there should be a large gauge wire, running either to the front of the engine block (on V8 engines), or to one of the starter mounting bolts on a straight 6 engine (not to the starter electrical connection).
How old is your battery?
How clean and reasonably tight are the battery terminal connections, and the connections at the fender mounted starter relay.
Is the fender mounted starter relay backing plate attached to the fender properly? That backing plate is how the relay is grounded.
Post pictures of your starter relay and battery and starter connections.
When you tested the starter, and found it was grounded, did you have one tester lead on the battery positive terminal, and the other tester lead on the starter electrical terminal? If so, you should get 12 volts, because you're reading through the starter motor windings, to ground.
When the fender mounted starter relay pulls in, then the starter electrical connector gets 12 volts from the battery, which flows through the starter windings, to ground.
Picture a wire coiled around a nail, with the two ends connected to a 9 volt battery. The nail would become magnetized. That magnetic field is what induces current into an electric motor, and makes it move. One end of the starter motor windings stays connected to ground, the other end is connected to battery voltage, only when the fender mounted starter relay closes.
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there must be continuity from ground to + otherwise it would be open.
i doubt it is a short.
The green dots are ground symbols.
There should only be one wire connected to the large stud, on the starter side of the fender mounted starter relay.
There will be multiple wires connected to the other large stud of the fender mounted starter relay, where the cable from the battery connects.
There should be one cable from the battery positive terminal, to one of the large posts on the fender mounted starter relay.
From the other large post on the fender mounted starter relay, there should be one cable going to the starter.
On the small threaded stud, at the fender mounted starter relay, there should be a smaller gauge wire; that's the wire from the ignition switch.
From the battery negative terminal, there should be a large gauge wire, running either to the front of the engine block (on V8 engines), or to one of the starter mounting bolts on a straight 6 engine (not to the starter electrical connection).
How old is your battery?
How clean and reasonably tight are the battery terminal connections, and the connections at the fender mounted starter relay.
Is the fender mounted starter relay backing plate attached to the fender properly? That backing plate is how the relay is grounded.
Post pictures of your starter relay and battery and starter connections.
When you tested the starter, and found it was grounded, did you have one tester lead on the battery positive terminal, and the other tester lead on the starter electrical terminal? If so, you should get 12 volts, because you're reading through the starter motor windings, to ground.
When the fender mounted starter relay pulls in, then the starter electrical connector gets 12 volts from the battery, which flows through the starter windings, to ground.
Picture a wire coiled around a nail, with the two ends connected to a 9 volt battery. The nail would become magnetized. That magnetic field is what induces current into an electric motor, and makes it move. One end of the starter motor windings stays connected to ground, the other end is connected to battery voltage, only when the fender mounted starter relay closes.
Disconnect these cables at both posts, and re strip them so there's shiny copper, then remove the two bolts holding the top clamps and clean the underside of the top clamps, until they're shiny. Also clean the battery posts and the inside of the clamps, where they slide over the battery posts.
Plan to replace these battery terminals, but stripping back the wire, and cleaning the surfaces should get you going.
How old is the battery? The battery could be the whole problem.
Where does this wire go?
While you have the battery cables disconnected, set your volt meter to ohms and take a resistance reading of that main ground cable, while both ends are disconnected, and of the battery positive cable, while both ends are disconnected.
While you have the battery cables disconnected, set your volt meter to ohms and take a resistance reading of that main ground cable, while both ends are disconnected, and of the battery positive cable, while both ends are disconnected.








