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Old Oct 21, 2024 | 12:54 PM
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1973 F110 with a 302 - I've machine and rebuilt, currently building a 331 stroker out of the 302 block. All that is good. Quick question: For those that use RTV on china rails, and that is what I plan to do, not gaskets, how long do you wait on the RTV till you place your intake. My currently thought, after a bunch of reading is put the bead on, let it set up - skin over for roughly 30 minutes and set the intake. of course engine master and all the dyno mules show you putting on the bead and then dropping the intake immediately...I think that is much too quick. I'll have 4 long studs of 5/16 bolts in the corners for guides so once dropped should be in place and not much movement needed.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2024 | 07:21 PM
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I used Edelbrocks instruction, never have left it to set up.
Eliminate the end seals.
Instead, use RTV silicone sealers designed for use with O2 sensors. Apply a bead of sealant approximately 1/4” high across the front and rear block end seal surfaces, overlapping the intake gasket at the four corners.
This method eliminates end seal slippage and deterioration
 
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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 07:02 AM
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Since I have the 4 corner guide studs, even if its fresh and not starting to dry just a bit - it should drop very close to not moving again spot. Piecing together the reasoning I've read, the letting it set up usually has a factor of people sort of moving the intake around to get the right positioning/alignment and so the RTV has a bit of stiffness to it rather than just peanut butter running out all over.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2024 | 08:08 AM
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On a '85 Ranger 2.8 V6, I used Perma-Tex Ultra Blue in place of the cork gaskets for the intake manifold. I did not wait to put the intake in-place. Sealed perfectly and Ultra Blue is thick enough not to 'run'.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2024 | 09:50 AM
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I'm planning on blue RTV
 
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Originally Posted by w951wxj
I'm planning on blue RTV
Do NOT use 'regular' 77 blue RTV! It does not seal well in an oil environment. You must use one of the Ultra- series, it comes in Blue, Black or Gray.
 
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IIRC, that is the orange stuff that'd I'd use to coat exhaust header gaskets. The Ultra-series is for oil environments



 
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I've owned my 95 F250 since 97 and I've never had a problem with oil leaks at the manifold. What is wrong with the factory rubber seals?

Every time I read about this 'China' rail thing, I cringe.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 11:16 AM
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The rubber end seals are relatively new. They've been cork for ever, and no matter what the application, cork gaskets will eventually dry out, shrink, and stop sealing. The factory cork valve cover gaskets that came with my 87 Mustang actually walked away from their gaps after a few years. They were hanging on by the little bolt spacers that prevent them from getting crushed.

The end seals that used to be cork also had installation difficulties, as they required gluing down first, or they get squished out as you tighten the manifold down. This also happens with the rubber end gaskets. So if you're already having to apply a goop to hold the end gaskets, it's just easier to use RTV to begin with.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 12:16 PM
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That might explain why I have not had a leak. I am building a 408 and I was able to find rubber ones. That is what I plan on using or make some type of fiberglass/carbon fiber spacer [and sealer].

I guess it does not matter what it looks like, if it works.

Thanks for the explanation.
 
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So I ended up putting Blue RTV on china rails with a bit of overlap - spread thin amount around water ports. All appears to have sealed up good.
 
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ULTRA Blue correct?


 
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