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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 02:03 PM
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Distributor differences: 351W and 5.8L

I just picked up a 70's 351w distributor, and the shaft is about a half inch shorter then the one in my 5.8

These are the part numbers:
D1AZ-12127-G ('71 351W)
F4TE-12127-AA (5.8)

Does anyone know what year they lengthened the distributor shaft, and why?

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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 03:01 PM
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I see that ARP sells 2 different lengths of oil pump drive shafts. Do I need to order a longer drive shaft?


 
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 05:31 PM
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What little project are we doing here?

I'm not a pre-EFI SBF guru that can spit differences in block or parts at ya, but I do know that a shaft length happened at some point.....I think it's safe to say that you need the longer driveshaft. For 30 bucks, I'd buy it, and meticulously compare the lengths of 1 from base of shaft to block flange between the two.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 06:44 PM
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Took a while, but I figured it out.

the shorter distributor needs the oil pump with the longer shaft.

the efi distributor which is longer, requires the shorter oil pump shaft.

there are 2 different oil pumps/shaft lengths for 351w.

blocks are the same.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 08:50 PM
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Thanks for the info. I did some digging, and this is also an issue for the 5.0 Mustang guys.

Can I replace the driveshaft from the top, or do I need to drop the oil pan & pump?

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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trac
Thanks for the info. I did some digging, and this is also an issue for the 5.0 Mustang guys.

Can I replace the driveshaft from the top, or do I need to drop the oil pan & pump?

Thanks
You can do it from the top, you just have to be careful that each piece is seated before the next component goes on (i.e. shaft seated into pump, dizzy seated into shaft), no binding, no forcing with bolts, etc etc
 
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trac
Can I replace the driveshaft from the top, or do I need to drop the oil pan & pump?

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If your EFI, use the long distributor and short pump.
If your carb, use the short distributor and long oil pump.

I think that keeps it simple and also easier if you have to replace parts in the future.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 09:44 PM
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Yes, you have to drop the pan & remove the pump.

There is a lock ring around the upper part of the hex shaft that keeps the shaft from being pulled out when distributor is removed.

Or coming up half way, falling out of the distributor & falling into the pan.

The ring keeps the shaft captured between the pump boss & the top of the pump.
 
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That oil pump drive shaft will come up and out the hole with the little retainer in place
It can also be put back in from the top (with the retainer on it)
If it falls out of your socket and falls down into the oil pan, is when you actually need to remove the pan (maybe)
I have fished them out of the pan when they fall down with a long flexible magnet
Then you can try it again
Use heavy grease in the socket so you can hold the shaft up vertically and it doesn't fall out of your socket
Good luck, it can be done
 
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Oh well, I'm totally wrong then. They obviously put that little sucker' on there for ***** & giggles.

Have fun OP.
 
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Originally Posted by manicmechanic007
That oil pump drive shaft will come up and out the hole with the little retainer in place
It can also be put back in from the top (with the retainer on it)
If it falls out of your socket and falls down into the oil pan, is when you actually need to remove the pan (maybe)
I have fished them out of the pan when they fall down with a long flexible magnet
Then you can try it again
Use heavy grease in the socket so you can hold the shaft up vertically and it doesn't fall out of your socket
Good luck, it can be done

That's good, because I'm not dropping the pan. I would modify the distributor before I did that.

I stumbled on a 5.0 mustang forum that talked about why Ford made the change. According to the post, the distributor shaft was lengthened to help make the distributor easier to install. The longer section engages and aligns the oil pump drive shaft before the distributor gears engage. This prevents the distributor from being jammed if the oil pump drive shaft is misaligned. The longer one allows the installer to rotate the shaft onto the oil pump drive until it properly aligns. This is impossible to do on the shorter distributor because the shaft meets the oil pump drive and cam gear at the same time.

This article also stated that you can install the older "short" distributors in place of a longer one without changing anything else.



 
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