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Old Aug 11, 2024 | 07:10 AM
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My starter hangs up

So my starter hangs up , as in turn key it cranks the engine and sometimes it won't stop cranking unless I pull the battery cables . I have installed a new solenoid that didn't help so it must be inside the starter , probably just needs a disassembly and a clean reassemble (truck has been sitting five years). What do you think?
 
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Old Aug 11, 2024 | 08:43 AM
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If you changed the solenoid on the starter, and it is still hanging up, the fender relay is probably sticking.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2024 | 09:23 AM
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Or it could be a sticky ignition switch.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2024 | 11:57 AM
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or it could also be low battery voltage causing the fender relay to hang.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2024 | 07:08 PM
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I almost positive the issue is in the starter but I could be wrong.

New batteries
New fender solenoid (twice)
Starter rebuilt with new solenoid
New ignition steering column switch
Checked movement of steering column switch activator rod

Its got to be a starter issue I can't think of anything else to check...
 
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Old Aug 12, 2024 | 07:10 AM
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putt the output wire off fender relay. if the the starter will stop spinning and you should hear the relay disengage and the will be no power to the terminal. if there is still power there, it is either a bad relay, bad cable, or low battery. i have changed 5 brand new out of the box relays to get one good one. new means nothing anymore with chinesium parts.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2024 | 04:03 PM
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Cheapo fender noids like to stick, BTDT on my '88...melted the damned cable to the starter.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 08:48 AM
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melted cables are usually from a bad connection
Think about it for a moment, only resistance will make heat, not a solid connection with almost 0 resistance.


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Do the following cleaning in the link if you have not done so
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ou-cranky.html

Low volts will make for higher amps, higher amps will weld the contacts in the starter.

proving your battery connections are good = serenity
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 04:20 PM
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Interesting. I figured since it kept cranking until the starter slowed and died that killed the cable.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by knottyrope
Low volts will make for higher amps
This part of your statement seems to contradict Ohm's law. Please help me understand what you mean.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 05:03 PM
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There's more to it than just a PIE chart. I'll step back and let the guy who it was addressed to answer.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 09:09 PM
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It was a genuine curiosity. I'm here to learn.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckHammer
It was a genuine curiosity. I'm here to learn.
Oh, didn't mean to imply you weren't being earnest.

Here's a link to some technobabble with formulas. Read up on heat, losses and hysteresis for more.
https://www.electricaltechnology.org...-dc-motor.html
 
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Old Aug 13, 2024 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 96XLTczny
Oh, didn't mean to imply you weren't being earnest.

Here's a link to some technobabble with formulas. Read up on heat, losses and hysteresis for more.
https://www.electricaltechnology.org...-dc-motor.html
Do you see what I'm saying though? If you consider Ohm's law (volts = current * resistance in your chart), then it doesn't seem possible for current (amps) to increase with decreasing voltage in this scenario. Otherwise, why wouldn't we expect current to approach infinite as voltage approaches zero?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2024 | 04:24 AM
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Joseph, you are correct. it defies ohms law. and i can not explain it either. even with a degree in electrical engineering.
but i can tell you with fact of 25 years working automotive, a low battery will produce enough current to make relays "stick" and not release until the cables are disconnected.
i have seen many starter relays ruined with burned contact plates inside from low battery voltage too.
 
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