Is the VIN off the title enough to ID the engine on my C700? If so it is C70IU 411769 . The Title says it's a 1963 yr truck, I bought from the original owners son. The factory Ford Shop Manual for 1961 shows it mostly as a 332HD. The fuel filter system appears to have a 292 filter ***'y cannister screw on.style shown on the 292's with the internal metal cased element. Perhaps you could decipher the Title vin number for mre?
it has the 4BBL carb and governor at the distributor which the lower return was removed at some point

 

Enlarged it's legible

 

Welcome to FTE! I'll give you your own thread for your truck.

C70 = C700 gas

I = 302 4V Lincoln derived Y-block

U = Louisville Assembly Plant

411769 = 1963 numerical series, May 1963 production

153 = 153 inch wheelbase

M = Corinthian White

C700 = C700 gas, 22,000 lbs GVWR

91B --I do not have the decoder ring for upholstery or cab type for this year.

J = Clark model 250V five speed direct transmission

F2 = Eaton model 15201 Two Speed Rear Axle / 5.83/8.12 / 15,000 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.
No front axle code. Either the front axle is a special order item, or it is the standard axle with capacity of at least 7,000 lbs. In '64 to '69 Ford only listed optional axles, so it may be that practice started a little early. Otherwise, no axle code = special order axle. The axle will have numbers etc cast into it for identification if need be.

22000 = 22,000 lbs GVWR

163 3600 = 163 certified net HP @ 3600 RPM

350344
35 = Lansing District Sales Office
0344 = Special Order Number

That 302 Lincoln Y block will be tough to shop for, but others have said they are able to find parts.

Basic info:
http://www.ford-y-block.com/lincoln.htm

 

Thank You for that info.,
The owner must have swapped out for the 332CI HD at some point I think? The image in the Ford 1961 shp manual I have (noted to 1963 use), It has the COE wet air cleaner stack to Bellows seal when the Cab is Tilted back in position. However it has the 302 HD fuel filter assembly. before the carb and a glass bowl sediment type on the fuel pump? Confusing me??. It runs ok though. I do need to go through the fuel supply system from the pump to Carb. Using a squirt bottle with fuel gets it going. The Dist Governor is disconnected at the return port.
It's Titled as a C-700 Van? Yet has a Duel Hoist Grain Box on it. I am the 2nd owner now recently and have the original Michigan Title (signed off of but not requesting a new one since i might sell it), when James Hare was Michigan's Secretary of State. so the history is solid ownership wise. Title issued in 1965 date as things were different back then, I remember them.
No images on a paper drivers license, no SS# until 18 but not mandatory...good old days..

 

How do you know it's a 332? AFAIK the 302 and 332 will be nearly identical externally.

Of course, it could have had multiple engines swapped into it over 60+ years.

Some of these ended up with an FT swapped in, as that would be pretty easy to do.

When sold, unless the dealer added equipment, the back-of-cab equipment was added by the owner.

A change from van to grain truck would be no surprise.

My dad's '58 was supposedly a moving van truck and ended up with a hoist and flat bed after dad bought it.

 

I have seen so many similarities in the Shop Manual. and images of the 332HD. However after some still available contact with the son and seller and also Beer drinker like me he supported the Idea of the 302HD. Not the 332HD. He said his dad used to call it a 302HD. At my age of 76 now and the son being a kid of 72 we get along well. The carb filter threw me and when stepping back it has all the attributes of a 302HD 4v Carb. Things get foggy for old beer drinkers, but I will go by the vin.definition as being a 302HD. Thanks to it being deciphered here again. It verified my own research I had done prior on the net. Which also showed a 302HD. The son told me it is the same motor it came with and his father the original owner and well cared for.

I have no reason to not believe it otherwise based upon Fuel supply and filters. These engines remind me of old GM motors with a separate valley pan cover on the 60's 389's. You could wash out from beneath the the intakes on them all.This one has the governor at the Distributor as well, clearly defining it as a HD.

Ram Horn Exhaust Manifolds say it is a Y block,.chasing a fuel pump just like it has been iffy but back then we rebuilt them all, like the auto master cylinder and slaves. it is a new beast for sure and once running I'll sell it. The thing is too big but will make a great dry firewood dump truck.

My local expert is Russ Kraft with a barn or 3 full of old Ford's, he is getting on in his years now .(in his 90's). He is a purest I borrowed the shop manual from conditionally, he won't burn my house down if I return it at some point. :-) .

 

Only the distributor and oil pump interchange between that engine and a Ford Y-block, so be careful when ordering parts.

 

can you see any casting numbers on the engine to help identify the engine model ?

 

I think the stack bellows seal wet air cleaner fit both engines if both are 4v carbs as well. I'm only going deep enough to get it running again after 8yrs in a barn.

The fuel filter post pump are like the 302HD but any in-line will suffice. The existing fuel pump is a AC 4394.

Ebay available I just ordered the last one. the original pump had AC and 4394 on it. I going with what was mounted.

Sure swaps could have been made without doubt.. I have yet to use oven cleaner on it and then wash it off.

I am the second owner which such case lean toward the Sons memory who sold it to me.

Admittedly I have my own vague memories of my own Honeymoon, my wife remembers marrying a different man. .

One day I will get it figured out about the Truck and have no idea what she is talking about!

 

Honestly I never looked for casting numbers nor where to look and what to look for? My 1948 Ford 8N has many but the truth is in only one place on the block to identify it an 8N. Now in this case I went to a 1951 8N Block and the side distributor, preserving my knuckle skin.

I would be happy to look for a positive ID casting number prior to knowing the spot on where to look for it. Help and knowledge is always welcome.

 

What I did fine is that the fuel pump is identifiable and #4394 is the type. I found one with the same numbers rebuilt. However would this information be of any assistance for confirmation of this engine.if fuel pumps are not interchangeable.
I have totally forgotten it may be online in the Hollander Exchange information. But any reply is welcome on the subject of fuel pumps.

 

I found it odd that the oil pump is external on both the 332 and 302, Yet still driven by the Distributors shaft, diagonally across from the left side to the pumps right side mounting.
Although I have yet to put a eyeball on it.
Also the book states that the front location of the ccv (Breather) on the 332 has a filter at the base but not the 302. I have not explored that tidbit yet either.The breather on this is filtered, I'm thinking now, so what?

 

I believe more parts are interchangeable and I'm thinking the 600 CFM Holley Carb to be one.. I imagine the fuel pump is another, One day I will get it identified somehow. .

 

302HD-332HD engines are often clumped together in the "Lincoln derived" Y block category, but, the '56-'63 302-332 engines are much more heavier duty than the '52-'55 Linclon Y blocks. Note timing gears, not the weaker chains found in "Lincoln Y blocks", FT's and Limas. Gears are found in the premium 401-477-534 Super Duty's and all diesel engines.

 

This number is on the engines intake manifold, 03TE-9425D does it allude too either a 302HD or 332HD? The crankcase vent is filtered in the cap and baffled below like a old Ford 8N Tractor and probably typical of the animals snout to Block.

i have it running aka jury rigged electrically and later will address that, these Tilt Cabs one has to bypass Cab controls. The "perpendicular to block' oil filter change was a challenge. Luckley the Dwell and Timing are alike in the HD motors, when i get to it.