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Old May 28, 2024 | 08:11 PM
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Eye irritation can be had rich or lean, but if its not leaving a pile of soot or a plume of smoke, id be inclined to say lean. do you have any weird smells? those would be more indicative of cat issues
 
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Old May 28, 2024 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by guinelle1
...Sometimes the fuel pump sticks on with key on but recently hasn’t been doing that...
#1 with a bullet for computer failure
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by guinelle1
…It’s stock other then the egr was removed years ago. (Ran fine for years before so I know it’s not the egr being remove) so sometimes it does throw the code for it but it has the dummy plug installed.

Sometimes the fuel pump sticks on with key on but recently hasn’t been doing that.
Further proof that the dummy plug does not work because it is providing a set resistance value. The computer is looking for the value to change as the pintle on top of the EGR valve moves.

I agree. The computer is on its way out.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
All else fails, you could always get a compatible ECM and then have it programmed to be the calibration you have. bubt this could be difficult, im not sure if ford dealers are still equipped to do this or not. If not, then youd be looking at the EEC-IV tuning crowd, and one of the big names in the sector recently shut down.
Sounds much like what I said, that someone in my position has to try whatever they can.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
Further proof that the dummy plug does not work because it is providing a set resistance value. The computer is looking for the value to change as the pintle on top of the EGR valve moves...
And the other thing about EGR is that it only functions a steady engine operating state. Never at idle, or acceleration or shifting gears. The ECU has to see steady state under load to implement the strategy.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 07:49 AM
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And the other thing about EGR is that it only functions a steady engine operating state. Never at idle, or acceleration or shifting gears. The ECU has to see steady state under load to implement the strategy.
I found the EGR would be commanded open on acceleration after a min coolant temp was reached.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 08:00 AM
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Right, I shouldn't made such a generalization, but that's what I learned in school a few decades back. Yep temp was a parameter too.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
If you dont have black smoke accompanying the rich-seeming behavior, it sounds like catalyst breakdown to me.
i dont really know, the cat is a newer style then the original, i was told it was changed when the egr was blocked off. the original had that weird tube the runs from the cat up to the back of he heads, that pipe was removed along with plugging the back of the heads. Will be ordering an ecm.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
Further proof that the dummy plug does not work because it is providing a set resistance value. The computer is looking for the value to change as the pintle on top of the EGR valve moves.

I agree. The computer is on its way out.
from what i was told it will still throw the code but the dummy plug is enough of a resistance to keep it from lighting the check engine light.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 11:18 AM
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was doing some more reading on the forums, some saying removing that tube and to the back of the heads can affect how the 02 sensor reads and affect the tune? i still think it may be a separate issue since its been like that for years before this issue arrived.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 11:49 AM
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Any leak upstream or within about a foot down can monkey with the AFR readings of the O2.

Depending on model, usually you plug the air injection ports if they are on the back of a head, with 1 inch long 5/8ths, 11tpi bolts.

Some use copper washers, some grind a little taper & let the carbon do the sealing.
 
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Old May 29, 2024 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scndsin
Any leak upstream or within about a foot down can monkey with the AFR readings of the O2.

Depending on model, usually you plug the air injection ports if they are on the back of a head, with 1 inch long 5/8ths, 11tpi bolts.

Some use copper washers, some grind a little taper & let the carbon do the sealing.

the exhaust system is mostly new and has absolutely no leaks. 2 shops prior apparently went over that and fixed the y pipe and I did double check it myself. The o2 is brand new. It only has 1 o2 sensor.
 
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Old May 30, 2024 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by guinelle1
the exhaust system is mostly new and has absolutely no leaks. 2 shops prior apparently went over that and fixed the y pipe and I did double check it myself. The o2 is brand new. It only has 1 o2 sensor.
youre going to need to have a modified calibration anyway, because without the AIR system (you dont need it with a modern aftermarket cat) your truck will fail it with codes periodically, if you dont care then you can probably ignore it but i would be annoyed lol.
 
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So you don't know if the air injection plumbing is leaking air into your non leaking exhaust, right?
 
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
youre going to need to have a modified calibration anyway, because without the AIR system (you dont need it with a modern aftermarket cat) your truck will fail it with codes periodically, if you dont care then you can probably ignore it but i would be annoyed lol.
I don’t care about the emissions where I am the truck is too old to be tested. I care about it running right.
 
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