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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 99powerstrokedF250
I was unaware of this change - you're saying there's basically no lockout hub on the passenger side front axle? That's an interesting concept that I would think is either going to have the driver's side axle shaft spinning the opposite direction, OR forcing the front driveshaft to turn. Unless there's an electronic disconnect inside the front differential to eliminate that issue. Still, it doesn't explain why one front axle shaft would be live while the other isn't.

It's an interesting concept that I'd really like more information on - I've never seen it done that way, but I don't see any advantages to it. I have only ever seen both front axle shafts live, or both have some kind of lockout (even Ford's system for the F150), whether there is a disconnect in the front differential or not.
From the illustration posted in one of the threads (you'll have to dig through) the passenger shaft is full time locked to the wheel and the driver shaft engages with the wheel by vacuum hub. In 2wd passenger shaft rotates at speed turning side gear, then spider gears, then driver axle shaft side gear rotating driver axle shaft in reverse. Ring/pinion, driveshaft, and transfercase stay idle. Switch to 4x4 and vacuum is applied to the drive hub and locks in that axle shaft while transfercase shifts to 4x4 position.

Chrysler Corp has a system of the same concept on some of their 4x4 Jeep and Ram models.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ralphhead
OK, maybe a dumb question, but.....
2010 F250 with the dreaded ESOF. Outside of a few leaky vacuum lines over the years, it's been pretty much trouble free for me. But, I have got into the habit of manually locking the hubs when I snowplow so I'm sure I'm in 4 wheel drive. I unlock them again when I'm done and will be doing non-4x4 required driving on cleared roads.
A couple of people told me to just leave the hubs manually locked and just shift the transfer case back to 2wd.
So, dumb question: is this advisable? Wouldn't having the hubs locked be mechanically tough on some part of the system? Otherwise, why would you even need the provision to lock and unlock them?
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Your right..its a bad Idea..locking them full time wears out components unnecessarily..Ujoint/ seals/ inner seals in axle housing...use it when you need it.. freewheel when you dont
 
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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by WWR
Virtually anything with a CAD is this way.

I honestly don't know how 3rd Gen+ Rams do it with IFS (never had a reason to work on one)
Half ton Rams are just live axle all the time. Transfercase is only disconnect point.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Braxas12
Your right..its a bad Idea..locking them full time wears out components unnecessarily..Ujoint/ seals/ inner seals in axle housing...use it when you need it.. freewheel when you dont
The front end componets in my Jeeps and Ram 2500 with full time hubs don't wear out any quicker than they do on my F250.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jcb804
Half ton Rams are just live axle all the time. Transfercase is only disconnect point.
That makes sense. Chrysler went thru a period of being allergic to CADs (aka FADs) starting with the TJ and I think that continued thru the JK. It was kinda big news they brought it back in '18 for the JL

Thus, I wonder if the latest Rams use it again also? A brief web search indicates it did return in 5th Gen Rams. I'm sure it's a CAFE thing because on paper they can claim another few tenths of MPG
 
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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Braxas12
Your right..its a bad Idea..locking them full time wears out components unnecessarily..Ujoint/ seals/ inner seals in axle housing...use it when you need it.. freewheel when you dont
Again, assuming quality components it doesn't make a lot of sense to try to "preserve" the front end. Your rear driveline is in use 100% of the time, and most modern trucks go 200k before even thinking about needing a u-joint.

To continue that logic we should shut our trucks off and coast downhill to preserve the engine, along with some way to uncouple the rear shafts so we can preserve the rear end components. And don't run any unnecessary electrical loads like a radio to preserve the alternator.

Also, as already stated, keeping things spinning up front actually helps lubricate them and ensures they move freely. THE WORST thing you can do for electric shift transfer cases is never use 4wd because that's when the electric shift motors on the t-case seize.
 
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