ZF 5 speed
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Mountain Pass
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ZF 5 speed
Hello, the other day I was underneath my 1988 F350 with the 460 and ZF 5speed. I grabbed the clutch arm and noticed there was no freeplay with the throwout bearing. Seems like the bearing will spin constantly. Is that a normal?
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I'm not super familiar with ZF-5's. Is it an external slave cylinder?
I have an M5ODR2, but in reading about my transmission, I found that Ford did use a "constant run" bearing through '86 on some transmissions.
Someone who knows more will have to chime in.
I have an M5ODR2, but in reading about my transmission, I found that Ford did use a "constant run" bearing through '86 on some transmissions.
Someone who knows more will have to chime in.
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Yes, it is the external slave style. It works just fine, shifts great, no problems. I just noticed that the throwout bearing rides the clutch fingers whereas the mechanical style doesn't. Do you like the M50DR2, I've been contemplating adding one behind my 351C in my 80 supercab.
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Yes, it is the external slave style. It works just fine, shifts great, no problems. I just noticed that the throwout bearing rides the clutch fingers whereas the mechanical style doesn't. Do you like the M50DR2, I've been contemplating adding one behind my 351C in my 80 supercab.
I haven't backed up a trailer with my truck yet but I imagine I'll use low range when I do.
I'm not going to swap for a ZF 5 but I'd prefer a lower first gear.
If I were towing near max weight, I imagine it would be difficult slow maneuvering.
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It's pretty common to keep the bearing in contact with the fingers. As it's a modern, lubricated bearing it doesn't mind.
As to the M5od vs the ZF5, the M5 is well suited to daily driving, with a 1st gear ratio that works well in traffic and at lights when you're not heavily loaded.
The ZF5 gearing FOR THE GAS MOTOR is really a heavy truck transmission, with a 1st gear ratio that is chosen to start the truck with a heavy load.
2nd is too tall for comfortable starts without slipping the clutch excessively (especially on a grade) and then the jump to 3rd is huge.
Since I use both for both purposes, I'd never have an M5 in a 2wd truck. Soup Bean's right- 1st is too high if you are trying to maneuver with a trailer,
pull a trailer up a grade, back it into a barn, and so forth. A 2wd ZF5 would be fine- but it's also awkward in urban environments, whereas the M5's just fine.
I'd love to stick diesel zf5 gears into a gas case and try them- they pretty much split the difference between the gas ZF and the M5.
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As to the M5od vs the ZF5, the M5 is well suited to daily driving, with a 1st gear ratio that works well in traffic and at lights when you're not heavily loaded.
The ZF5 gearing FOR THE GAS MOTOR is really a heavy truck transmission, with a 1st gear ratio that is chosen to start the truck with a heavy load.
2nd is too tall for comfortable starts without slipping the clutch excessively (especially on a grade) and then the jump to 3rd is huge.
Since I use both for both purposes, I'd never have an M5 in a 2wd truck. Soup Bean's right- 1st is too high if you are trying to maneuver with a trailer,
pull a trailer up a grade, back it into a barn, and so forth. A 2wd ZF5 would be fine- but it's also awkward in urban environments, whereas the M5's just fine.
I'd love to stick diesel zf5 gears into a gas case and try them- they pretty much split the difference between the gas ZF and the M5.
t
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It's pretty common to keep the bearing in contact with the fingers. As it's a modern, lubricated bearing it doesn't mind.
As to the M5od vs the ZF5, the M5 is well suited to daily driving, with a 1st gear ratio that works well in traffic and at lights when you're not heavily loaded.
The ZF5 gearing FOR THE GAS MOTOR is really a heavy truck transmission, with a 1st gear ratio that is chosen to start the truck with a heavy load.
2nd is too tall for comfortable starts without slipping the clutch excessively (especially on a grade) and then the jump to 3rd is huge.
Since I use both for both purposes, I'd never have an M5 in a 2wd truck. Soup Bean's right- 1st is too high if you are trying to maneuver with a trailer,
pull a trailer up a grade, back it into a barn, and so forth. A 2wd ZF5 would be fine- but it's also awkward in urban environments, whereas the M5's just fine.
I'd love to stick diesel zf5 gears into a gas case and try them- they pretty much split the difference between the gas ZF and the M5.
t
As to the M5od vs the ZF5, the M5 is well suited to daily driving, with a 1st gear ratio that works well in traffic and at lights when you're not heavily loaded.
The ZF5 gearing FOR THE GAS MOTOR is really a heavy truck transmission, with a 1st gear ratio that is chosen to start the truck with a heavy load.
2nd is too tall for comfortable starts without slipping the clutch excessively (especially on a grade) and then the jump to 3rd is huge.
Since I use both for both purposes, I'd never have an M5 in a 2wd truck. Soup Bean's right- 1st is too high if you are trying to maneuver with a trailer,
pull a trailer up a grade, back it into a barn, and so forth. A 2wd ZF5 would be fine- but it's also awkward in urban environments, whereas the M5's just fine.
I'd love to stick diesel zf5 gears into a gas case and try them- they pretty much split the difference between the gas ZF and the M5.
t
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It is normal for hydraulic clutch bearings to be in contact with the plate fingers and no free play.
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Much obliged for all the replies, I'm going to stop worrying about the finger clearance and just drive it!
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