360 issues
Not raggin' on ya though. I'm probably the longest-winded poster around. From here, I actually appreciate all the details you provided.
In fact, if you replaced the pump, I'd be surprised if it didn't put out too much pressure! And if you did not replace the pump, after sitting in a field for a spell I'm even more shocked that it still worked at all!
If you don't, you can sometimes "rent" (as in borrow) one from a local chain store.
I'm still a fan though, and I like several, but while I think it will run well and you will like it, it's not going to be a game changer in the power department.
I like the Edelbrock carbs for ease of maintenance, but not a fan off-camber or off-road. Holley's have the most variations and options and fans, but I've only had decent luck with them myself. Just because my lack of wanting to drill down deeper and deeper. I do like the Summit brand carb that looks like an old Ford Autolite 4100 though!
Never run one, but after seeing the fun results on an episode of Engine Masters on Motor Trend, I'm a fan already.
And gearing can be the game changer (or deal breaker) in the "wakes it up" department. And it can improve your mileage, or make it worse. Take your pick...
And yes, they can be a pain. No experience with the 360, but my 400 I ended up returning them because the passenger side hit the frame and I got tired of trying to tweak things to make them work.
Speaking of which, does your cluster have an ammeter/Battery gauge, or just the warning lamp?
Then again, if it runs good now, then there's really no dire reason to jump in and change them.
But I still say re-check the timing with a light. If you have not done so already that is.
One other thing to check with the PCV system would be the amount of gunk that has burned into the tube and carb spacer. Is it a clean path for vacuum? I've seen them completely clogged before. It was a 360 in a passenger car (or was it a 351M? I can't remember now) and the spacer was caked up with EGR debris and the metal vacuum tube for the PCV valve was almost fully clogged itself.
But let's still hope it was just excess condensation, and not a leaky head gasket or cracked head or block.
An old glazed belt can do it. V-belts were supplanted by wide belts (usually serpentine) in the late seventies in cars, and by the mid-'80's on trucks I think. So not a big issue when you started working on them I'm guessing.
Belt tension is a real thing too, so check the tension on them all, but especially the alternator.
Not a dumb question at all. But one that we've been dealing with for 40 years and more.
There are many things you can do to improve the efficiency of a mid-seventies smogged out truck engine. Nothing wrong with being "smogged out" and in fact it's why we have 600 horsepower engines that might actually get 30mpg nowadays! But smog rules were literally in their infancy at this point. So the manufacturers were in a steep learning curve as to what worked, what did not, and what made things worse. At the time, power was secondary (tertiary?) and mpg suffered.
But improving your mileage? Your 8mpg around town is quite typical. But along with engine size and design and level of development, your gearing, tire size, tire design, tire pressure, vehicle weight, carburetor design and jetting, exhaust type, engine condition, and even your right foot's attitude towards the go pedal, all have something to do with it.
I'm looking forward to seeing if my mpg increases at all with my rebuilt 400 with whatever carburetor (or efi) and exhaust I choose. But 13.5 was the most my truck has EVER gotten. That was on a trip up our Highway 5, fully loaded up to it's max GVWR, many years ago.
That was the second time I'd experienced a vehicle under more load than normal, getting more gas mileage than normal. Seems that some engines like to have the carburetor opened up a bit wider when cruising down the road.
The normal mileage for that truck is 12 on the highway, 7-8 around town.
That's with 4.11 gears and 31" or so heavy duty truck tires. Changing to 35's (255/85/16) did not seem to change it. Looked and felt better though!
Paul
Not raggin' on ya though. I'm probably the longest-winded poster around. From here, I actually appreciate all the details you provided.
Glad the new one seemed to fix the issue. But don't ignore the fuel pump putting out too much pressure either.
In fact, if you replaced the pump, I'd be surprised if it didn't put out too much pressure! And if you did not replace the pump, after sitting in a field for a spell I'm even more shocked that it still worked at all!
Good, but it would still be good to check/verify the timing. Since you have worked on vehicles, you would normally have a timing light of your own. But since they are all newer, maybe you never needed one!
If you don't, you can sometimes "rent" (as in borrow) one from a local chain store.
Now, my next statement could be wrong, but I don't think so. A carburetor alone waking up a 360? Not gonna' happen! Especially on a '76 vintage version? I'm only pretty certain, but we'll let others that have actually driven mid-seventies truck 360's with that tire and gear combination set the reality tone.
I'm still a fan though, and I like several, but while I think it will run well and you will like it, it's not going to be a game changer in the power department.
I like the Edelbrock carbs for ease of maintenance, but not a fan off-camber or off-road. Holley's have the most variations and options and fans, but I've only had decent luck with them myself. Just because my lack of wanting to drill down deeper and deeper. I do like the Summit brand carb that looks like an old Ford Autolite 4100 though!
Never run one, but after seeing the fun results on an episode of Engine Masters on Motor Trend, I'm a fan already.
Not the greatest combination, as many have found. But mostly the griping comes from the 302 engine crowd. Some with the larger, torquier engines actually like the combination. But I bet more that have the 4.11's are even happier.
And gearing can be the game changer (or deal breaker) in the "wakes it up" department. And it can improve your mileage, or make it worse. Take your pick...
I'd say the headers will help as much, if not more than the carburetor. Certainly help when used in conjunction with the carb swap.
And yes, they can be a pain. No experience with the 360, but my 400 I ended up returning them because the passenger side hit the frame and I got tired of trying to tweak things to make them work.
Common complaint. The only way to know, is to verify with independent gauges. Or just drive on, oblivious to the actual temps, pressures, charging and fuel levels!
Speaking of which, does your cluster have an ammeter/Battery gauge, or just the warning lamp?
Sorry to be a nit-picker here, but you have not given it a full tune up until the plugs have been changed. Unless they looked almost new, they might be a source of trouble.
Then again, if it runs good now, then there's really no dire reason to jump in and change them.
But I still say re-check the timing with a light. If you have not done so already that is.
Well, that's partially good anyway. Did you change the oil from when it was sitting? Have you changed out the old PCV valve for a new one?
One other thing to check with the PCV system would be the amount of gunk that has burned into the tube and carb spacer. Is it a clean path for vacuum? I've seen them completely clogged before. It was a 360 in a passenger car (or was it a 351M? I can't remember now) and the spacer was caked up with EGR debris and the metal vacuum tube for the PCV valve was almost fully clogged itself.
But let's still hope it was just excess condensation, and not a leaky head gasket or cracked head or block.
Might be the alternator belt. Do you know which alternator you have? The large case 1G is fairly notorious for this when there is not enough belt wrap on the pulley. Not a common issue with the pickups I don't believe, but they were also not a commonly checked option box on these trucks either. Most of them got the small case 1G in the 50-60 amp range. The large case models ranged from 70 to 105 amps usually.
An old glazed belt can do it. V-belts were supplanted by wide belts (usually serpentine) in the late seventies in cars, and by the mid-'80's on trucks I think. So not a big issue when you started working on them I'm guessing.
Belt tension is a real thing too, so check the tension on them all, but especially the alternator.
haha again!
Not a dumb question at all. But one that we've been dealing with for 40 years and more.
There are many things you can do to improve the efficiency of a mid-seventies smogged out truck engine. Nothing wrong with being "smogged out" and in fact it's why we have 600 horsepower engines that might actually get 30mpg nowadays! But smog rules were literally in their infancy at this point. So the manufacturers were in a steep learning curve as to what worked, what did not, and what made things worse. At the time, power was secondary (tertiary?) and mpg suffered.
But improving your mileage? Your 8mpg around town is quite typical. But along with engine size and design and level of development, your gearing, tire size, tire design, tire pressure, vehicle weight, carburetor design and jetting, exhaust type, engine condition, and even your right foot's attitude towards the go pedal, all have something to do with it.
I'm looking forward to seeing if my mpg increases at all with my rebuilt 400 with whatever carburetor (or efi) and exhaust I choose. But 13.5 was the most my truck has EVER gotten. That was on a trip up our Highway 5, fully loaded up to it's max GVWR, many years ago.
That was the second time I'd experienced a vehicle under more load than normal, getting more gas mileage than normal. Seems that some engines like to have the carburetor opened up a bit wider when cruising down the road.
The normal mileage for that truck is 12 on the highway, 7-8 around town.
That's with 4.11 gears and 31" or so heavy duty truck tires. Changing to 35's (255/85/16) did not seem to change it. Looked and felt better though!
Paul
It’s been a lifesaver for tuning in some cases. Especially good for those with Ford 302 and 351 Windsors.
Ford used at least two, if not three different locations for timing marks and pointers, depending upon which vehicle the engine was installed in.
It’s been a lifesaver for tuning in some cases. Especially good for those with Ford 302 and 351 Windsors.
Ford used at least two, if not three different locations for timing marks and pointers, depending upon which vehicle the engine was installed in.
From all low points…
Short of timing tape, you can still find top dead center and then mark it with whatever method you choose.
From scratching a line in it, to a simple sharpie mark. Or even some fingernail polish!
Just make sure that you mark the zero point adjacent to whatever timing pointer your engine has. Then find the 10° before TDC location, and mark that as well.
You could choose 10, or any number you want such as 14 perhaps. I like 10 because it gives a standard point of reference that works for almost any engine in any condition.
If you choose to advance your timing a little further, that’s fine. But at least you’ll know where you are.
Just make sure your marks line up with the timing pointer, and not some other random spot.
A dial-back timing light is great, but is far from necessary. Plenty of perfectly good tuneups have been done with standard timing lights.
Thanks for your service, I hope the VA is helping you. Good luck
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Thanks for your service, I hope the VA is helping you. Good luck
Just saying
BTW if using a dial back timing light and who is not now days, all you need to do is mark TDC
Dave ----
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Thanks for your service, I hope the VA is helping you. Good luck
Now because of what someone posted that marks have moved all over and not knowing if the balancer has slipped how can you mark TDC with anything on the motor and know the balancer is right?
The only way I know to make sure balancer is true is to get a new one.
Now once you know you have a non-slipped one in hand you can match it up to yours and if it has not slipped return the new one if you can.
But if the rubber is starting to come out or is all cracked I would replace it just to be safe.
Just my .02
Dave ----
Just curious how yours is set up.
And though I’m not a huge fan of just replacing things if they ain’t broke, this is an almost 50-year-old vehicle that’s been sitting in a field.
Under those conditions, I don’t care how low the mileage actually is. or to reverse paraphrase Indiana Jones, “it ain’t the mileage, it’s the age”…
It would be nice to see a pic, but hey, maybe it’s still pristine and perfectly usable.
Plenty of parts like that still a use.











