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Old Oct 23, 2023 | 07:23 AM
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Can never get there I guess though, due to 9000 GVWR and 4100 front curb (on CTD/auto)
Yeah 3/4 tons are almost always hamstrung by their GVWR.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2023 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
6340 rear GAWR is the max that any F-250 will have. It's not unusual to reach one max capacity before reaching another. In your case It's possible you can't reach the payload capacity before exceeding the rear GAWR....unless you had more weight transferred to the front.

I don't have a '23 but my '19 6.7l CCSB scales at just under 3200lbs on the rear axle with nothing in the truck but myself and full tank of fuel.
I was shopping for my first 5th wheel trailer when I owned my 2015 F-250. Didn't take me long to realize the F-250 is about the most useless truck on the road. The max cargo on mine was 2050, that was due to it being a 10K max truck.

Sold it and bought a 350 CCLB, and then bought a 45 ft toyhauler, traded it in on an F-450. Love it.

Here is my scales ticket for my 450 with toyhauler.


 
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Old Oct 23, 2023 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny F2 fiddy
I was shopping for my first 5th wheel trailer when I owned my 2015 F-250. Didn't take me long to realize the F-250 is about the most useless truck on the road. The max cargo on mine was 2050, that was due to it being a 10K max truck.
I own a 250 (10k) and it's more than sufficient for my use. Far from useless. But I knew going in exactly what I would and would not be using it for. 5th wheel towing I will not be doing, In fact, I have no plans to use it for any recreational towing. Even the 2200lb payload capacity I can't see being an issue in my use.
I do agree, for 5th wheel towing (or large bumper pull) the 250 may not be the right choice, even with the increased GVWR, the rear GAWR could be limiting to those who want to stay within the numbers.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2023 | 01:00 PM
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My F250 has 3475 pounds of cargo on it per the sticker. I have to weigh it now that I've put a Dualliner in it and a Bak X4s on top of it, but it's got plenty of carrying capacity.

I've always maintained that buying a F250 with a diesel is somewhat short sighted if payload is something you're chasing, but to call the F250 the most useless truck on the road is remarkably short sighted. It depends on how your F250 is configured when it was built.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2023 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by S1njin
....but to call the F250 the most useless truck on the road is remarkably short sighted.
Especially with Honda Ridgelines on the road....
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rufushusky
...my 2019 has the old standard issue 10k GVWR but it has plow springs up front so I have a GAWR of 5990 up front and 6340 in the rear, so my 1400 pound lower GVWR 2019 actually has a higher combined axle rating than the 2023.... that is weird....
GAWR only refers to the amount of static weight the assembly can take. GVWR takes into account a moving vehicle - cooling capacity, braking, cornering, etc.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny F2 fiddy
I was shopping for my first 5th wheel trailer when I owned my 2015 F-250. Didn't take me long to realize the F-250 is about the most useless truck on the road. The max cargo on mine was 2050, that was due to it being a 10K max truck.

Sold it and bought a 350 CCLB, and then bought a 45 ft toyhauler, traded it in on an F-450. Love it.
See it might be useless for towing some 5th wheel around but it’s actually the best option for some of us.

my truck is a 2023 350 6.7 and it serves its purpose but my fleet has 250 6.7s also, because when I have a 16k trailer to pull it does it just fine and keeps my guys from needing a CDL to do their job. The 10k gvwr helps here and the truck is fully capable.

If all you need it payload and top capacity with no indifference to possibly needing a CDL then go for the moon.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny F2 fiddy
I was shopping for my first 5th wheel trailer when I owned my 2015 F-250. Didn't take me long to realize the F-250 is about the most useless truck on the road.
Depends on what your needs are. There is no perfect one-size-fits-all vehicle of any sort out there. Every single vehicle, from bicycle to rock truck, is a compromise. My brother might say that an F350/450/550 is useless. That's because he hauls 30-40k loads behind his Class 8 tractor. BTW he drives a Ram 1500 off-duty, and considers it the best vehicle for that job.

Regarding the F250, I currently have a Ram 1500. It is rated to pull the planned Airstream buy, but it's almost 5 years old, has 35k miles and I'd like a little more "insurance" in my tow vehicle. I want a factory bed, so I suppose I could get a SRW 350, but with a tongue weight of 1000# or less, and lawn chairs, grill and jumper cables in the back, I selected the slightly less body-abusive 250. I'd like to think it's at least slightly less useless than the 1500.

YMMV

 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 12:19 PM
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My 250 works great for me as well. I have a 22 with the 6.7 and just over 3k “listed” payload.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TestPilot57
GAWR only refers to the amount of static weight the assembly can take. GVWR takes into account a moving vehicle - cooling capacity, braking, cornering, etc.
GAWR is measured at the ground and factors in braking dynamic performance.



https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/nht74-336

Gating factors on an F250 GAWR are the 65 psi rating on the tires and the springs.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rufushusky
GAWR is measured at the ground and factors in braking dynamic performance.



https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/nht74-336

Gating factors on an F250 GAWR are the 65 psi rating on the tires and the springs.
Thanks - interesting info. But it does still support the idea that GVWR rarely if ever equals total GAWR.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TestPilot57
Thanks - interesting info. But it does still support the idea that GVWR rarely if ever equals total GAWR.
OEMs need to build in a load distribution buffer, the GVWR to GAWR ratio I have seen is around 95% in a truck.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chadstickpoindexter
My 250 works great for me as well. I have a 22 with the 6.7 and just over 3k “listed” payload.
like I said I have 250 diesels for the purpose of keeping my guys under cdl with 16k trailers

but these are also xl and xlt trucks so I have something that resembles payload capacity still

if you’re buying a fully optioned 250 with the Limited package and you’re left with less than 1700lb payload (or whatever it would be) then I would agree it’s a bad choice if you are worried about exceeding gvwr. Should’ve gotten a 350 at this point.

but there’s definitely the case for some 250 diesel trucks for sure
 
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