Try calling dealership service centers until somebody tells you what you need to know?
Good luck. I've enjoyed your threads!

DA

 

Maybe a local alignment shop would be willing to give you those specs.

 

Thanks fellars,…..I try to be nice to everyone,…. I enjoy posting and getting y’all’s input, as well as, provide the details for future dudes looking up this type of info,….that’s all I’m trying to ultimately do,….write up - issue found/ show the research/ define corrective actions taken.

Yes, I’m getting long in the tooth, and not as ‘up on things’ as you fellars,….but, I like to think, I learn decently quick,….

Apologies for trying to nail down the 23 spec ‘directly from the Service manual’/ put it on here for myself, and the next dude rjacobs,………

This post, along with the other, may help the next guy decide if he wants to do a single cab,……and may also answer a couple dudes questions on CC/Ext cab models. I am far from trying to be an ***,…..quit the opposite

Will do Devil’s advocate and 4wd6.7L,….thanks men.

 

Here you go fellars,
Alignment specs directly out of the Ford Service Manual for a 2023 / 24 (see upper right corner on first pic) - previous mentions were correct; and what I had heard was not correct (that 23 specs were different than a 20 model). Unquestionable now (on my end at least 😎, and for future dudes looking this up) - I know it was never a question in some you men’s minds — please see below

Wondering, as with 1.8 degrees being minimum, and I’m sitting at 2.25 — being .45 degrees from minimum — will this have any affect on steering while towing a load? I do not think it would, if any?

I haven’t a clue if these new trucks slightly raise the front end when towing, this is my first new F250 — reason I query — when I used to hook up a trailer to one of my old trucks, the front end ‘looked like’ it raised a bit — definitely know the steering got lighter/ had to be careful driving, especially if the trailer started swaying a bit (make your butthole wanna grow teeth and bite down on the seat frame at times) — don’t know anything about these new trucks, if they raise a hair in the front, or not.

 

Holy cow. Just flipping drive this truck

 

Yes these trucks do. My 6.7 CCLB squats rear/raises in the front slightly when I hooked up to a 10k trailer. With your Carli rear leaf springs, unless you added air bags you will squat significantly as your hitch weight approaches 1k pounds. Here is an article from carli- written by Dan who you have been in communication with about how the carli level springs handle weight. https://www.carlisuspension.com/ford...ing-load-test/

 

Thanks dubnasty216, kindly figured they did. Been looking at the below air bags, but haven’t researched. I tow my Gausebuilt boat all over Florida (about 8,500- 9,000 lbs.) - I.e. kingfish, tarpon, pompano on the East coast, lobster down in the keys, scalloping up in steinhatchee, etc. thus bags are on the agenda - little tapped on cash right now, after spending 16k on suspension and tires. Plus my awesome wife is starting to give me the ol’ pickle eye when I mention more spending 😁

The below bags seem somewhat ideal, they say - won’t affect spring ride, plus you won’t run the risk of (increased travel) ripping a bag while trailing - yet, slide the blocks in/ air the bags up and you’re golden for tow. I haven’t seen anyone with them yet, to get their take.

You mentioned in an earlier post, you’d like to take a ride in mine once done - I’ll be in Plant City this Saturday if you still wanna run. Springs and shocks are still stiff, haven’t had time to load the bed up, run around for a week - busy, busy.

@JayCarver - Dave at OUO called me night before last (round 8pm my time, surprised me) - I was already halfway through a fifth of Jameson Single Barrel, so the conversation was spirited 😎 - he measured the drops - it moves the radius arm rear mounting bolt, straight down 3-1/2” - haven’t angled it up yet, probably will tomorrow.

 

hahahaha i was thinking the same. but he follows up with the info. worth it

 

No kidding, a great resource of information. Far better than those that post and then ghost on a thread. I could have a beer and wrench with this guy anytime.

 

Thanks men,,,,,yes, I analyze and organize everything to detail - I’m a Senior Manager that’s been building and starting up power plants all over the world for the past 30 years,…..in some of the worst places on the planet, because prior to this I was Military - not that any of this means jack ****,…..it truly don’t mean jack ****. Simply put, analyzing/ being detailed is my nature, or, I wouldn’t be doing what I do for a living.

Apologies, if this offends some,…but, honestly, I don’t give a damn,….that’s why I didn’t respond to some of the above. I’m simply trying to help document for the next guy,….I don’t need to document this **** for myself,……does nothing for me,….but, I don’t mind hitting some digits while I’m on my back porch, overlooking the Gulf of Mexico water,….having a cigar and coffee.

Won’t be much longer y’all will have to put up with me - bout to go hit another power plant somewhere in the World.

 

I'd love to take you up on that offer but Ill have to pass for now. I just threw my 37s on and have some significant trimming to do before I would want to hop on i-4. The 13.5" wide tire on a -18 wheel is rubbing on the inner wheel well pretty good and saturday looks like it will be my only day to get that done.

 

Cool dubnasty216,……I see you have balance master rings,….they do ok for you? I have a set of centramatics on my Pop’s ol’ old truck, that I restored from the frame out. I got the centramatics idea from an OTR trucker buddy of mine. He said, most semi guys use them to increase tire longevity,….I was after balancing 35” BFG KO2’s - didn’t do much, in my case,….I reckon a couple of those tires were simply FUBAR’ed.

Nitto RG’s still have a slight vibration at 60-65,…. not rough, but there,…plan to have tires further ‘force matched’ to see if this gains anything - typically, tire balancer dudes match the wheel’s valve stem to a ‘dot’ the manufacturer puts on the tire before leaving the plant,……..and this should be good enough for balancing, but,…….
During road force measurements, it never hurts to check if force matching could improve tire performance. Some shops don’t like doing this, cause they have to take the extra time to break down tire again, spin wheel inside tire, then air it back up/ message the beads/ rebalance.

Newer Hunter balancers will laser show you how to ‘spin’ match the tire to the wheel, by providing one laser point on the tire, and one laser point on the wheel, which you then break tire down to match up marks - could further decrease road force measurements/ creating a better tire ride potential, and may also reduce the overall ‘weights’ needed to balance the tire (not in all cases). On larger 37” tires, this force matching is typically only of little gain, but, could prove beneficial to some future dudes with excessive road force measurements. Force matching helps most on shorter side wall tires.

Once force matched, I’ll report back road force decreases (if any)/ vibration findings,….probably won’t do a thing, but, I want to try it and see (just for my own knowledge).

Went on YouTube just now, found this video to explain,….coulda saved myself some writing above, with monkey see, monkey do video below. I need to find a shop that spins 37’s and has a tech that does this regularly,…

 

So far the balance masters seem to be doing their job. My wheel and tire setup came pre assembled and balanced from custom offsets and I actually had to pull about 3 oz off the inner lip of each wheel to get the wheel to clear the brake caliper
haven’t been too fast yet but I’ve spent a fair bit of time between 45 and 65 with no sensation that I’m out of balance

Also since you had asked about squat with a trailer here’s a pic I grabbed today with my work trailer hooked up. I think the weight is about 8k and I had about 500 pounds in the bed as well
I’m on stock f350 rear leaf springs, stock shackles and Carli commuter rear shocks
second pic is unloaded except for my ~150 pounds in the tool box

 

Firstly,….man, your property looks like where I grew up in Plant City,…… even has the same limestone drive (looks like limestone in the pic). Back then, all we had was a 20” push mower,…took a minute to cut the yard every week 😁

Impressive that you could knock 3oz off, and not have vibrations. That matches what an OTR trucker buddy of mine said, ‘you could sling a weight, and not even realize it.’ These may help some dudes wrestling a pesky vibration out there. Plus, my buddy said, OTR semi’s mainly use them to increase tire use longevity,…don’t know if this would apply to our style tires.

Nice trailer and rig, and my boat/ trailer weighs roughly the same 8500lbs,….. Due to my regular cab’s lighter weight, the full progressive rear springs have the truck sitting 2-1/4” higher than the max 1” height increase Carli advertises - we’ll see if this translates to keeping me a hair higher off the bump stops when I hook up. May prove to be a blessing in disguise,….we’ll see - still gonna sag a lot. I’ll make do till I can get some bags installed.

Any of you men running those 2023 Full Travel Bags, like listed in post #97 above?

 

I got on the interstate for a couple minutes today- Im no speed demon, so setting cruise control at the speed limit is my go to when Im driving.. so 65 on state roads and 70 on the interstate.. I keep my phone in a dash mount above the radios screen and it wasnt bouncing at all which I take as an indicator that the balance master rings do their job pretty good at higher speeds, Actually it bounced more on the 35s before I put the lift and balance rings on