Notices
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Dentsides Ford Truck
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Moser

Ignition module missing?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 04:07 PM
  #1  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
Ignition module missing?


There seems to be no ignition module in my truck. It starts and runs though. How is that possible? What am I missing here?
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 04:34 PM
  #2  
77 HOS's Avatar
77 HOS
More Turbo
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 603
Likes: 172
From: Flo-rida
Does it have an aftermarket box somewhere else? Or more likely an HEI dizzy with control module inside.

Does it look like this ?

 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 04:57 PM
  #3  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa

Here's the distributor.

 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 07:15 PM
  #4  
dlburch's Avatar
dlburch
Cargo Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 367
From: Kansas
looks like someone swapped in an older 460 with points, or swapped in an older points distributor.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 09:30 PM
  #5  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
But it requires an ignition module to run correct? There isn't one and the truck runs. I drove it 30 miles home.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 10:05 PM
  #6  
dlburch's Avatar
dlburch
Cargo Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 367
From: Kansas
no, an older points distributor doesn't need the ignition module.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 10:53 PM
  #7  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
Thanks. Why would someone put a points distributor in?
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2023 | 11:30 PM
  #8  
tbear853's Avatar
tbear853
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Shutterbug
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 10,833
Likes: 2,611
From: The Shenandoah Valley
Originally Posted by Buellrider76
Thanks. Why would someone put a points distributor in?
Perhaps one went bad and they just trusted points more?
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-4

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
Old Sep 17, 2023 | 01:08 PM
  #9  
Yamhill Ranger's Avatar
Yamhill Ranger
Tuned
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 291
Likes: 59
From: Willamette Valley
Originally Posted by Buellrider76

Here's the distributor.
I'm diggin' the 460. Is it a factory J-code?
I think I see a D6- engineering stamp on your intake which would definitely have had a DS2 ignition system originally (1976 &up).
I also think I see a home made ballast resistor set up on your inner fender, aft of where the DS2 ICM box was.
How's that Truck Avenger carb doin' ya? They are a mixed bag. lack of air bleeds for the secondary mains circuit is wonky, but you do get annular primaries!
What's the red box with heat fins on it near where the starter solenoid would be mounted? Electronic external voltage regulator? or some add on ignition module (can't tell).

What's
 
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2023 | 09:32 PM
  #10  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
Yeah there are several things on this truck that I'm trying to figure out. Seems like they tried to reduce electrical as much as possible by removing everything. That red, finned box is a second battery setup. It's not connected to anything. The spring resistor? looking thing is a complete unknown. Had an older guy mention it looked like his old trailer brake setup but I'm not sure. There's loose wires underneath the dash. I'm amazed that it runs at all honestly. That's actually what started this because the truck will run until it gets hot then just shuts off and won't restart until it cools. Started trying to test parts but it's missing half of them.
 

Last edited by Buellrider76; Sep 17, 2023 at 09:40 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2023 | 12:33 PM
  #11  
Yamhill Ranger's Avatar
Yamhill Ranger
Tuned
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 291
Likes: 59
From: Willamette Valley
Originally Posted by Buellrider76
Yeah there are several things on this truck that I'm trying to figure out. Seems like they tried to reduce electrical as much as possible by removing everything. That red, finned box is a second battery setup. It's not connected to anything. The spring resistor? looking thing is a complete unknown. Had an older guy mention it looked like his old trailer brake setup but I'm not sure. There's loose wires underneath the dash. I'm amazed that it runs at all honestly. That's actually what started this because the truck will run until it gets hot then just shuts off and won't restart until it cools. Started trying to test parts but it's missing half of them.
Hacked wiring is often an issue. I cringe every time I see wiring modifications--most are ill thought out. Here's a link if you haven't already found it to some of the Ford wiring diagrams
http://fordification.net/tech/images...aster_1of9.png
So your immediate issue sounds to be be the hot shut off. For clarity, describe this. Is it a hard cut instantly (likely electrical, possibly including the coil) or does it do some death throes until it flat lines ( which could be fuel related).
 
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2023 | 12:36 PM
  #12  
Yamhill Ranger's Avatar
Yamhill Ranger
Tuned
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 291
Likes: 59
From: Willamette Valley
Also, check the voltage at your battery with key on engine off, then the voltage at the coil + terminal (KOnEOff), then both of those readings again at cold when running (KonEon), then at hot when it stalls.
 
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2023 | 04:09 PM
  #13  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
Is definitely electrical. It's like someone flipped the kill switch. I'll do that with the voltage test this weekend. I'm tempted to put everything back to stock and start from there.
 
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2023 | 09:07 PM
  #14  
FuzzFace2's Avatar
FuzzFace2
FTE Legend
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Liked
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 30,935
Likes: 4,123
From: Angier, NC
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Buellrider76
Yeah there are several things on this truck that I'm trying to figure out. Seems like they tried to reduce electrical as much as possible by removing everything. That red, finned box is a second battery setup. It's not connected to anything. The spring resistor? looking thing is a complete unknown. Had an older guy mention it looked like his old trailer brake setup but I'm not sure. There's loose wires underneath the dash. I'm amazed that it runs at all honestly. That's actually what started this because the truck will run until it gets hot then just shuts off and won't restart until it cools. Started trying to test parts but it's missing half of them.
Yes it was an old trailer brake resister.
The old controllers did not have 'fine" tuning for loaded and unloaded.
Where the jumper wire is looped would have the in & out wires on it.
There would be a cross bar type thing between the 2 springs.
Unloaded the bar would be at the far end from the wires reising the resistance so less power to the trailer brakes when unloaded.
Move it the other way when loaded and more power to trailer for braking.
New controllers all of this is built into it.

Maybe the wires under the dash where for the brake controller?
Dave ----
 
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2023 | 09:18 PM
  #15  
Buellrider76's Avatar
Buellrider76
Thread Starter
|
4wd High
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Iowa
Originally Posted by FuzzFace2
Yes it was an old trailer brake resister.
The old controllers did not have 'fine" tuning for loaded and unloaded.
Where the jumper wire is looped would have the in & out wires on it.
There would be a cross bar type thing between the 2 springs.
Unloaded the bar would be at the far end from the wires reising the resistance so less power to the trailer brakes when unloaded.
Move it the other way when loaded and more power to trailer for braking.
New controllers all of this is built into it.

Maybe the wires under the dash where for the brake controller?
Dave ----
Thanks for that info. The truck is pretty stock and original. Even found the factory build sheet under the floor covering. It's just the electrical that's a mess.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:04 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-1
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-3
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-6
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE