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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 02:43 PM
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Flathead V8 radiator question

Hey guys. I was driving the '52 Courier Sedan Delivery and noticed twice a large puff of white smoke coming from behind blowing past me at idle at a stop light. I got to where I was going and shut it down. Immediately it dumped all of its coolant. The source of the leak was a crappy radiator repair/patch job performed before I got the vehicle. I assume the pressure finally was finally too much for the crappy patch job. My question ... white smoke is bad, but could it have just been coolant headed back into the engine while the radiator was popping from the pressure? It doesn't necessarily mean blown gasket does it? I had it towed home and put water in it and fired it up. Let it idle for 20 or so seconds. Revved a few times. Idle. Rev. Repeat for about a minute. I shot video of the exhaust. No white smoke. Just light bluish when I rev (I assume that's crappy rings?) I appreciate your help/advice. I'm new to this and learning. Over the next couple of weeks I'm going to replace the radiator, drain the oil and check for coolant in it. Fill everything back up and try it out. Does this sound like a plan?

 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:08 PM
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That sure isa crappy patch job!

​​​​​​Your radiator cap... how many lbs of pressure?
 
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the blown head gasket theory. First, with a radiator leak, the fan will draw the coolant into the engine bay and onto hot parts, possibly creating the smoke you saw. Obviously, a new radiator is in order, so take care of that first.

Second, Flathead radiator caps are low pressure, around 4-7 psi. Be sure that your radiator cap isn't a more common modern pressure of 13 to 16 psi.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bmoran4
I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the blown head gasket theory. First, with a radiator leak, the fan will draw the coolant into the engine bay and onto hot parts, possibly creating the smoke you saw. Obviously, a new radiator is in order, so take care of that first.

Second, Flathead radiator caps are low pressure, around 4-7 psi. Be sure that your radiator cap isn't a more common modern pressure of 13 to 16 psi.
Radiator cap says 16lb. Why does the pressure need to be 4-7? Please educate me! lol
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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In short, Ford utilized low pressure systems all along until the mid 50s. The cooling system components were not intended nor designed for 16 psi and so if the pressure were to build, the components fail.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bmoran4
In short, Ford utilized low pressure systems all along until the mid 50s. The cooling system components were not intended nor designed for 16 psi and so if the pressure were to build, the components fail.
So if the replacement radiator says it comes with a 13lb cap, I should switch it with a 7lb when I replace the radiator? Thank you for your help.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 03:30 PM
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I would question the appropriateness of said radiator and want more information.
 
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I would question the appropriateness of said radiator and want more information.
It was a Champion. I'm doing my research on radiators.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 04:20 PM
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Champion has many offerings, including stock mountable radiators for more modern engines that are higher PSI in addition to stock mountable for stock motors. I have heard that Champion is very responsive and so reaching out to them with your exact motor and vehicle will help sort through all the variants of rows, makeup and everything.
 
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Stock caps were 4 psi, to protect the old style water pumps that had poor seals. There's no advantage to running a higher pressure cap, even on a radiator that is designed for 14+. 4 psi raises the boiling point to around 220, if your engine gets hotter than that you have a real problem.
 
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According to some of my original Ford literature:

Stock 48-56 truck caps, 41A-8100-C and 1T-8100-A, were 4 psi.

Stock 49-54 passenger vehicle (Like the sedan in question) caps, 0L-8100-A and 1M-8100-A were 7 psi. In 55, 12-15 psi caps, B8A-8100-A, C1UU-8100-A, and C2SZ-8100-A were used.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2023 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bmoran4
According to some of my original Ford literature:

Stock 48-56 truck caps, 41A-8100-C and 1T-8100-A, were 4 psi.

Stock 49-54 passenger vehicle (Like the sedan in question) caps, 0L-8100-A and 1M-8100-A were 7 psi. In 55, 12-15 psi caps, B8A-8100-A, C1UU-8100-A, and C2SZ-8100-A were used.
So whatever radiator I go with, just don't go over 7 for my stock V8, right?
 
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Stock caps were 4 psi, to protect the old style water pumps that had poor seals. There's no advantage to running a higher pressure cap, even on a radiator that is designed for 14+. 4 psi raises the boiling point to around 220, if your engine gets hotter than that you have a real problem.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Outdoorboy26
So whatever radiator I go with, just don't go over 7 for my stock V8, right?
I would attempt to source a replacement radiator that included the low pressure (4 to 7) cap - then there is no guessing game with neck style compatibility.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 11:26 AM
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or better yet someone here (Not me) might be able to sell a good used radiator.
 
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