Ford Laying off Engineers....
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Tuned
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Ford Laying off Engineers....
So Jim Farley is laying off Ford engineers to try and get the company more profitable. He says Ford has 25 percent more engineers than other companies doing the same amount of work.
Hey Farley. It shows.
Ford is out-engineering every other automaker when it comes to building tough, innovative trucks. They are only average or slightly behind on some truck engines -- esp diesel and smaller displacement gas engines, IMHO. But their new 7.3L V8 is awesome, and their EcoBoost 3.5L engines are phenomenal (if you maintain them religiously).
You need more engineers working collaboratively and brainstorming to design innovations such as:
• a pick-up with a built-in 7.2 kW on-board generator that supplies 30A 3-phase power
• the first (and still only) full-size aluminum-bodied pickup
• a normally aspirated flat-plane crank V8 that sounds like a Ferrari and puts out nearly 100 hp/litre
Ford should be an engineer's company first -- like Mercedes used to be. Build a great vehicle and people will buy it -- even if it's $2,000 more than a Chevy or Dodge.
My 2 cents.
Hey Farley. It shows.
Ford is out-engineering every other automaker when it comes to building tough, innovative trucks. They are only average or slightly behind on some truck engines -- esp diesel and smaller displacement gas engines, IMHO. But their new 7.3L V8 is awesome, and their EcoBoost 3.5L engines are phenomenal (if you maintain them religiously).
You need more engineers working collaboratively and brainstorming to design innovations such as:
• a pick-up with a built-in 7.2 kW on-board generator that supplies 30A 3-phase power
• the first (and still only) full-size aluminum-bodied pickup
• a normally aspirated flat-plane crank V8 that sounds like a Ferrari and puts out nearly 100 hp/litre
Ford should be an engineer's company first -- like Mercedes used to be. Build a great vehicle and people will buy it -- even if it's $2,000 more than a Chevy or Dodge.
My 2 cents.
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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They have been reducing engineering headcount for years.
I left in 2007 along with 14,000 others with a buyout.
Recently they had another headcount reduction in engineering. They picked people to let go, and the way they picked them is a big topic of discussion, maybe even a class action lawsuit.
One of my former coworkers was caught in this. This person had five months left to reach 30 years of service. At that point, one can retire with full benefits regardless of age. This person was let go. Another former coworker had already applied for retirement and only had 55 days left. Also let go.
They did something very similar about 20 years ago. That resulted in a large class action lawsuit. It didn't go to court because Bill Ford directed the company to settle it.
I understand it is a corporation that needs to make money, but they could show some appreciation for people that served it for 30 years.
I left in 2007 along with 14,000 others with a buyout.
Recently they had another headcount reduction in engineering. They picked people to let go, and the way they picked them is a big topic of discussion, maybe even a class action lawsuit.
One of my former coworkers was caught in this. This person had five months left to reach 30 years of service. At that point, one can retire with full benefits regardless of age. This person was let go. Another former coworker had already applied for retirement and only had 55 days left. Also let go.
They did something very similar about 20 years ago. That resulted in a large class action lawsuit. It didn't go to court because Bill Ford directed the company to settle it.
I understand it is a corporation that needs to make money, but they could show some appreciation for people that served it for 30 years.
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Tuned
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The point of my post was that having a lot of good engineers really pays off. And it has for Ford. Esp Ford Trucks. Now let's see how they do in the coming product cycle. : (
I'm sorry to hear about the way your co-workers were treated. I agree it's a business, but they ought to make accommodations for the men and women who've given their lives working there and done GREAT work.
I'm sorry to hear about the way your co-workers were treated. I agree it's a business, but they ought to make accommodations for the men and women who've given their lives working there and done GREAT work.
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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I agree with you. The point of my post is that Ford Motor Company does not agree with us.
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Tis why I left the Ford dealer in 2004. When you get paid under warranty 8 hrs to do 24hrs worth of work. It's time to move on. SLTS is NOT mechanic friendly.
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If Ford isn’t scaring the real engineers in the beancounting department into making a cam phaser that lasts (one sticking point that I would say is well beyond owner routine maintenance), then is any real progress going to be made? We’ll see what the future TSB count says in that regard.
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Let’s give it a go. Start with the silicon valley rejects. Make the code open source and we will fix it ourselves. Also, whoever is in charge of the Power Stroke fuel system (or whomever is in bed with Bosch)…fire that guy.
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So Jim Farley is laying off Ford engineers to try and get the company more profitable. He says Ford has 25 percent more engineers than other companies doing the same amount of work.
Hey Farley. It shows.
Ford is out-engineering every other automaker when it comes to building tough, innovative trucks. They are only average or slightly behind on some truck engines -- esp diesel and smaller displacement gas engines, IMHO. But their new 7.3L V8 is awesome, and their EcoBoost 3.5L engines are phenomenal (if you maintain them religiously).
You need more engineers working collaboratively and brainstorming to design innovations such as:
• a pick-up with a built-in 7.2 kW on-board generator that supplies 30A 3-phase power
• the first (and still only) full-size aluminum-bodied pickup
• a normally aspirated flat-plane crank V8 that sounds like a Ferrari and puts out nearly 100 hp/litre
Ford should be an engineer's company first -- like Mercedes used to be. Build a great vehicle and people will buy it -- even if it's $2,000 more than a Chevy or Dodge.
My 2 cents.
Hey Farley. It shows.
Ford is out-engineering every other automaker when it comes to building tough, innovative trucks. They are only average or slightly behind on some truck engines -- esp diesel and smaller displacement gas engines, IMHO. But their new 7.3L V8 is awesome, and their EcoBoost 3.5L engines are phenomenal (if you maintain them religiously).
You need more engineers working collaboratively and brainstorming to design innovations such as:
• a pick-up with a built-in 7.2 kW on-board generator that supplies 30A 3-phase power
• the first (and still only) full-size aluminum-bodied pickup
• a normally aspirated flat-plane crank V8 that sounds like a Ferrari and puts out nearly 100 hp/litre
Ford should be an engineer's company first -- like Mercedes used to be. Build a great vehicle and people will buy it -- even if it's $2,000 more than a Chevy or Dodge.
My 2 cents.
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I think Ford's engineering is as sound as any other car maker and perhaps better. Ford brought back the GTDI engines with significant success and some failure. Evolution has culled the weaker designs and left the stronger more reliable engines. The world was watching and have answered with their own entries into the GTDI world. Ford's lessons will lead to their successes.
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Sadly, engineers don’t have the final say on what gets put in production.
As a retired bricklayer, we had no choice in the level of material quality and design of the building, but when the project didn’t stand up to the test of time, it was the fault of our industry.
My heart goes out to those who were wronged.
As a retired bricklayer, we had no choice in the level of material quality and design of the building, but when the project didn’t stand up to the test of time, it was the fault of our industry.
My heart goes out to those who were wronged.
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It appears there is a HUGE QC problem over a lot of dept. and sections that no one is being accountable for.
It's bad when a truck line had to be stopped it got so bad before the issues were addressed.
It wasn't the F150 line but it's causing a lot of issues in sales and owner grief, because of it.
There needs to be some butts kicked and some heads roll.
It comes down to common sense, after it gets just so bad.
It's bad when a truck line had to be stopped it got so bad before the issues were addressed.
It wasn't the F150 line but it's causing a lot of issues in sales and owner grief, because of it.
There needs to be some butts kicked and some heads roll.
It comes down to common sense, after it gets just so bad.
