Notices
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Bumpsides Ford Truck

Two dashboard / electrical questions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 18, 2023 | 01:14 PM
  #1  
btbeme's Avatar
btbeme
Thread Starter
|
4wd Low
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 13
Likes: 5
From: Arizona
Two dashboard / electrical questions

The previous owner did two things to this '71 F-250 Camper Special that I am wanting to undo. The first is a push-button start. I am assuming that there was an issue with the ignition and the cheap and easy fix was to bypass it. The key still needs to be in and the ignition turned "on" for the pushbutton to work. There are two red wires that run into the engine compartment and connect as seen in the photo. Given this hack, what is the likely part I will need to replace in the ignition? And once that is done, can I simply pull this hack?

The second is a set of aftermarket gauges. I'd like to return to the stock gauges (unknown at this time if they are functional. Here is a pic of the back side of the gauges - they are coolant temp (not working), vacuum, oil pressure, and current/voltage. I pulled the instrument cluster and it appears all the connectors for the gauges are intact, so I'm not sure where the sending units are or how they may be hacked - though the coolant temp wire is obvious, running to the thermostat housing (still, it does not work). I'd love suggestions on how to unravel this mystery - does it have anything to do with the disconnected plugs on the firewall in the third photo?






 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 02:37 PM
  #2  
RichS2659's Avatar
RichS2659
Cargo Master
20 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,008
Likes: 250
From: North Pole, Alaska
Here you go:
https://www.fordification.com/tech/schematics_h.htm
https://www.fordification.com/tech/ammeter.htm
 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 03:20 PM
  #3  
Alex from GA's Avatar
Alex from GA
Fleet Mechanic
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,369
Likes: 7
From: Gainesville, GA
I'll tackle the ignition switch. Probably the switch is not working on the start circuit. Install a new one and if it starts disconnect the red wires. If it doesn't start you're going to have to trace the wires that are open and the schematic will tell you what wires to check.
 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 03:42 PM
  #4  
Texas_1969_F250's Avatar
Texas_1969_F250
Mountain Pass
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 143
Likes: 15
From: Alvin
I don’t recognize the plugs at the firewall, so I’m not sure about those. I’ll check under my hood to see if I can spot them.

I had the same issue. Some of my gauges on my 69 F250 worked, some didn’t. I didn’t trust the ones that worked, so I ran new wires thru the dash and left the original wires from the dash. (So I could restore them later.)

I ran new wires for coolant temp and oil pressure. I bought Equus gauges and am very happy with those. You will need to use the sensors that come with the gauges so they are matched. I also ran Trans fluid Temp and trans fluid pressure, because I had an overheating problem with the trans, so I wanted to keep an eye on it. Lastly, I measure voltage instead of an amps, so I’m watching almost everything.

I didn’t have enough under-dash room so I mounted my cluster around my steering column with hose clamps and bent metal brackets. My buddies laugh, but it works well, and when you’re restoring an old truck you have to know the health of it as you go along.







 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 07:18 PM
  #5  
stewchi's Avatar
stewchi
Trailering
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 19
Likes: 3
From: Phoenix

The 2 red wires in your first pick, 1 is grabbing +12V power from the battery terminal of the start solenoid and is going to the push button switch. When the button is pushed it sends power to other red wire going to the start terminal on the starter solenoid. To revert to factory you need to connect the S terminal of the solenoid to the ignition switch to the solid black wire (Ignition terminal). If you have an automatic there is a neutral safety switch in between the ignition switch and the starter solenoid which prevents you from starting in gear.
Gauges are a whole other animal. The aftermarket likely have sensors with different output voltages / resistance than what the factory gauges are calibrated for. You will need to replace the sensor (sending unit) for each gauge (oil pressure, water temp, fuel level, battery etc). The voltage regulators on those gauges commonly fail so you may need a new one. I skipped all of this and went the Dakota Digital RTX. It looks identical to stock until your turn the truck on then you have digital items light up, it looks awesome and comes with all the sensors and you can program what ranges you want so you can use any fuel sending unit
 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 08:42 PM
  #6  
btbeme's Avatar
btbeme
Thread Starter
|
4wd Low
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 13
Likes: 5
From: Arizona
Originally Posted by stewchi

The 2 red wires in your first pick, 1 is grabbing +12V power from the battery terminal of the start solenoid and is going to the push button switch. When the button is pushed it sends power to other red wire going to the start terminal on the starter solenoid. To revert to factory you need to connect the S terminal of the solenoid to the ignition switch to the solid black wire (Ignition terminal). If you have an automatic there is a neutral safety switch in between the ignition switch and the starter solenoid which prevents you from starting in gear.
Ah. Yes. I would have missed that part. Ive been pulling on the rats nest of wiring that is in here and think that my time might be better spent eviscerating all the non-stock wiring and starting fresh; rewire what doesn't work. I did see the Dakota Digital stuff, and it looks intriguing. I love the stock look but appreciate modern conveniences! I am fortunate to have a decent budget for this project (at least until my wife stops just rolling her eyes and starts to openly protest) so I'll explore that route...especially if it has matching sending units, etc. I mean, if I have to gut this down to stock, I cant lost that way, yeah?

And I just realized two things - I have no gear selector indicator on my steering column, and the windshield washing stuff is completely missing. More fun! I think my baling wire throttle control needs to get priority first.
 
Reply
Old May 18, 2023 | 08:44 PM
  #7  
btbeme's Avatar
btbeme
Thread Starter
|
4wd Low
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 13
Likes: 5
From: Arizona
Nice website! I grew up in high tech, so I should be able to decipher this! Thanks a million!
 
Reply
Old May 19, 2023 | 03:26 PM
  #8  
stewchi's Avatar
stewchi
Trailering
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 19
Likes: 3
From: Phoenix
First thing I did with my truck was replace all of the wiring. I purchased the Painless Performance kit which included the harness, and most of the switches (ignition, lights, etc), plus all of the connectors etc. I also added an accessories harness for the extra things I added like electric fans and auto on lights etc.
I am super happy with the Dakota digital gauges, I added additional modules, my steering column also does not have shift indicator so I installed the Dakota digital module and sensor to display gear position, this module also takes care of reverse lights and neutrally safety switch. Also using Dakota digital to be my fan controller which I can program each of the dual fans to turn non based on temp setting. I added the fans because I added AC and live in Phoenix and need electric fans running full blast when stopped in traffic, mechanical fan cant keep things cool at idle in the desert.
I also didn't have washer systems so I added the $25 universal one from amazon but used the factory original squirt ends because they mount hidden in the cowl. You can get those from Dennis Carpenter if yours are gone.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-2

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-4

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-8

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
Old May 19, 2023 | 04:43 PM
  #9  
btbeme's Avatar
btbeme
Thread Starter
|
4wd Low
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 13
Likes: 5
From: Arizona
Originally Posted by stewchi
I purchased the Painless Performance kit which included the harness, and most of the switches (ignition, lights, etc), plus all of the connectors etc. I also added an accessories harness for the extra things I added like electric fans and auto on lights etc.
Also using Dakota digital to be my fan controller which I can program each of the dual fans to turn non based on temp setting. I added the fans because I added AC and live in Phoenix and need electric fans running full blast when stopped in traffic, mechanical fan cant keep things cool at idle in the desert.
I am also in the Phoenix area. This truck has a transplanted 460 motor but I believe the wiring harness would be good no matter. Did you consider the American Autowire harness, or any others? The Dakota Digital system seems like the answer to a lot of puzzles though. How long was your rewiring project? As as for the dual fans, which accessory harness and fans did you go with? Stock radiator too? I would like to eventually put A/C back in this, but that's down the list quite a way. As is, I'm already in a lot deeper than I thought I would be after only a couple weeks. Guess I'll have to seriously consider doing a full teardown of the interior so I can get the dash working again - the air controls are all thrashed as well.
 
Reply
Old May 20, 2023 | 12:07 AM
  #10  
Green72F250's Avatar
Green72F250
Tuned
10 Year Member
Liked
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 483
Likes: 141
From: Colorado Springs
I believe that your plug that you show in your 3rd picture is the engine compartment wiring harness for your temp, and oil sending units. There are 3 wires in this harness, and I believe one of them goes to your coil. The previous owner probably pulled this harness out when he put in the aftermarket gauges. NPD sells a repo harness for this if you want to go back to the original wiring set up. You would more than likely need to get new oil and temp sending units from say Napa, as often the gauge clusters use different sending units than the originals. I have a 1972 F250 and this is where my harness comes thru the firewall.
https://www.npdlink.com/product/wire...%20DESCRIPTION
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2023 | 06:21 PM
  #11  
btbeme's Avatar
btbeme
Thread Starter
|
4wd Low
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 13
Likes: 5
From: Arizona
Thanks, Green - I'm pretty sure that's it, after studying both the master wiring diagram and the install instructions for the Painless Performance full wiring harness (those instructions are absolute gold for a beginner like me). I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to gut the entire wiring mess in this truck and start from scratch. It is an unbelievable mess. I dont think there is anything stock on this any more...there are so many bypasses, hacks, additions, subtractions, etc because of various camper swaps, a motor swap, and the usual "I'll fix it later" stuff. $900 for a harness seems a fair trade for my sanity.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Scottyt1
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
7
Jan 10, 2023 02:19 PM
unleashd
Excursion - King of SUVs
19
Jun 28, 2021 09:58 AM
One Sock
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
12
Feb 28, 2020 04:29 PM
khadma
Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator
2
Mar 2, 2009 10:43 AM
TNT in Round Rock
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
20
Oct 28, 2008 12:25 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:02 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE