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But then you'd just get rid of it with less than 2k miles on it and complain about how long its taking to build your next orders.
Oh MY! I sense some jealousy here. Why is it that you enjoy attacking me?
You are correct that I rarely keep a vehicle past the warranty period. Recently with the crazy prices I have taken advantage of the market and I profited by flipping.
By the way, I am not the only one who gets 19-21 MPG with a F-450 Here is a screenshot of a recent 125 mile trip at 65 MPH with a stiff headwind after a cold front passed through. I got 19.4 MPG where I usually get 21 MPG on that trip. This is was when not towing. When towing our 14,000 lb 5th wheel I get between 11.5-12.5 MPG at 62 MPH
Oh MY! I sense some jealousy here. Why is it that you enjoy attacking me?
You are correct that I rarely keep a vehicle past the warranty period. Recently with the crazy prices I have taken advantage of the market and I profited by flipping.
By the way, I am not the only one who gets 19-21 MPG with a F-450 Here is a screenshot of a recent 125 mile trip at 65 MPH with a stiff headwind after a cold front passed through. I got 19.4 MPG where I usually get 21 MPG on that trip. This is was when not towing. When towing our 14,000 lb 5th wheel I get between 11.5-12.5 MPG at 62 MPH
You post the same posts all the time because you need people to brag to. I have never been an ADHD car owner so there is nothing to be jealous of. I have 2 trucks I like so why would I get rid of them?
I could really care less about your fuel mileage on yet another vehicle you dont intend to own for a full year.
You post the same posts all the time because you need people to brag to. I have never been an ADHD car owner so there is nothing to be jealous of. I have 2 trucks I like so why would I get rid of them?
Well if you could replace your 2 trucks you like with 2 newer trucks that you would like better for no additional money, that might be a reason to "get rid f them." That is what I have done and sharing this information has helped others to do the same. This forum has been a great source of information from how to qualify for X-Plan, how to get PCOs to prices that others have been able to get with either selling and buying.
I could really care less about your fuel mileage on yet another vehicle you dont intend to own for a full year.
There you go again with a snide remark. Why in a previous posting did you post that I was probably the only person who gets that MPG with a F-450?
I'll tell you what. If you agree to ignore me I will agree to ignore you.
Well if you could replace your 2 trucks you like with 2 newer trucks that you would like better for no additional money, that might be a reason to "get rid f them." That is what I have done and sharing this information has helped others to do the same. This forum has been a great source of information from how to qualify for X-Plan, how to get PCOs to prices that others have been able to get with either selling and buying.
There you go again with a snide remark. Why in a previous posting did you post that I was probably the only person who gets that MPG with a F-450?
I'll tell you what. If you agree to ignore me I will agree to ignore you.
I dont need a new vehicle every few months. I also don't need a space to come brag about my new vehicles all the time for validation.
Back to the OP question. I suspect the only change for 2024 will be the number 2024 printed on the front cover of the Owners Manual.
I don't expect anything significant to change in the trucks engineering. Ford has spent Jan- May trying to learn how to build XL, XLTs and Lariats. Looks like they will spend Jun-July learning to build Platinum Limited trim models.
I understand that some folks will want this feature, but a portable generator is just better in every sense. It is actually portable, meaning you can take it anywhere, not just where a truck can get to. They also come in different sizes, meaning you can buy/take the size that you need, and you can even connect them together for more power, giving you even more portability. The built in generator is weight that is always carried around, and when it comes time to replace the batteries or any other part of the system, your entire truck has to go into the shop, which leads to a whole series of other potential problems, not to mention, you are without a truck now too. On top of that, why would anyone want to run a near $100k truck just to run a generator when you have the option to run a $2500 generator that will do the same thing. That's a ton of needless hours and run time on a truck that would be a lot better spent on an actual generator. And then there is the problem you mentioned... I couldn't imagine it would go over well when I told my wife and kids and dogs that I had to leave for a few hours, so they will just have to do without electric in the RV... lol!
I don't understand why the generator wouldn't be able to fit in the bed of your truck, they aren't that large. Even the Honda (or save a lot of that money and get the tried and true Predator 9500 that costs half of the Honda) is basically a 30" cube. When we towed our camper with our Pathfinder, we still found room for our Champion 3400, which is smaller than the ones I mentioned above, but not by that much. Sure, they are no small matter, but they will easily fit into the bed of a truck. However, if there is absolutely no room at all, many folks will reinforce the bumper and add a rack back there for the generator. If all that is still too much, maybe some solar on the roof to supplement a smaller 3500 watt generator is an even better idea...
I do agree with you about the ease of generators (or just things around your camper) being stolen though. I have never had anything stolen from our campsite, including the generator when using it in Walmart parking lots for overnight stops, but that doesn't mean I haven't been nervous about it. However, I feel like leaving a running vehicle would invite some trouble as well. I got that it seems like a good idea on paper, and right up front, but the more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense at all... At least not to buy with the intentions of using it to purposefully run RV's and homes (lol). As a back up if you are stuck on the side of the road changing a tire, or waiting for a tow truck, I guess, but again, a portable generator will do the same thing there too...
With a 6 3/4' bed and with a toolbox against the cab there is no room for the Honda. It's too big in all directions to fit in front of the hitch or behind the hitch.
Nobody makes a portable generator that will run two air conditioners and that's small. Portable to me is a Honda EU2000 or similar or anything under 70 lbs
I have Generacs at our home and vacation home so I don't need emergency power at home. Those that don't have any emergency power would love to have one in the truck AND you don't have to worry about it not starting from the ethanol crap when you really need it.
Since they have already started putting those generators in these vehicles, I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue to grow in size, as well as cost. Hopefully though they won't make it a standard option... having a generator built into these vehicles makes no sense when there are portable versions available that do the job just as well, but costs less and are actually portable. There's no way I would want to buy that with any intention of running my camper off it.
As with most things, the value of an on-board generator depends on your situation. I have a pair of Honda 2000 generators that I bought thinking I could not only top up the conventional batteries in my TT but also occasionally run the AC. Now that I've installed robust solar, lithium batteries and 3000W inverter I have much less need for the Hondas, although I sometimes go back and forth about bring one of them if we will be camping somewhere where adequate sun exposure isn't guaranteed. Personally, I'm happy that the 2023 F350 Platinum I have on order comes standard with the 2.0kw Pro Power. Most times, no need now to pack the portable generator and fuel for it. It will be a small but meaningful convenience.
As with most things, the value of an on-board generator depends on your situation. I have a pair of Honda 2000 generators that I bought thinking I could not only top up the conventional batteries in my TT but also occasionally run the AC. Now that I've installed robust solar, lithium batteries and 3000W inverter I have much less need for the Hondas, although I sometimes go back and forth about bring one of them if we will be camping somewhere where adequate sun exposure isn't guaranteed. Personally, I'm happy that the 2023 F350 Platinum I have on order comes standard with the 2.0kw Pro Power. Most times, no need now to pack the portable generator and fuel for it. It will be a small but meaningful convenience.
I could see your situation before I could a situation in which I wanted the onboard generator/inverter specifically so I could power my entire RV, especially with nothing else supplementing it. However, I would still choose to carry a small 2000 watt generator if I even thought that my solar wouldn't suffice rather than relying on a $90k+ F350 Platinum trucks onboard inverter to do the job. I don't know if these inverters are standard, or an add on, even now, but I would hope these are an option rather than forcing it and bumping the base price of the truck. Don't get me wrong, I get how these could come in handy in unplanned emergencies, but not for planned convenience. Then again, I also realize many folks now trade their trucks in each year when new models come out, so that extra wear and tear isn't really a factor.
To add, I see you have a HO 6.7 on order. That's the perfect reason not to want to have to needlessly idle that truck.
I could see your situation before I could a situation in which I wanted the onboard generator/inverter specifically so I could power my entire RV, especially with nothing else supplementing it. However, I would still choose to carry a small 2000 watt generator if I even thought that my solar wouldn't suffice rather than relying on a $90k+ F350 Platinum trucks onboard inverter to do the job. I don't know if these inverters are standard, or an add on, even now, but I would hope these are an option rather than forcing it and bumping the base price of the truck. Don't get me wrong, I get how these could come in handy in unplanned emergencies, but not for planned convenience. Then again, I also realize many folks now trade their trucks in each year when new models come out, so that extra wear and tear isn't really a factor.
To add, I see you have a HO 6.7 on order. That's the perfect reason not to want to have to needlessly idle that truck.
First off, the generator/inverter is standard on King Ranch and above for 2023. IMHO, at this price point, the few hundred dollars that the option may add to the bottom line of the truck is pretty inconsequential.
Second, your point about running the engine extensively in a $90K+ truck to power an RV is valid. OTOH, since I've installed the solar/lithium upgrade in the Airstream I've yet to need anything besides solar to keep the batteries charged and the Honda generator and fuel that I've brought along, just in case, have gone unused. Going forward, I expect that use of the on-board generator will be very minimal so I'm not concerned about issues with additional wear. For my situation, the on-board power is simply a very convenient way to be prepared for a rare but not totally out-of-the question emergency situation.
I think Ford would be better off concentrating and doing a robust single build year and let the 23 ride until 25. Let’s try allowing people to actually order the options they want on the variants they want and delivering them as opposed to what we have now. I understand there’s a need to build a better mousetrap to keep up with the competition but the order and delivery issues they have now are not doing the blue oval well at all. Lots of folks turned off by not being able to get a $90k truck outfitted with what they want. JMO
I think Ford would be better off concentrating and doing a robust single build year and let the 23 ride until 25. Let’s try allowing people to actually order the options they want on the variants they want and delivering them as opposed to what we have now. I understand there’s a need to build a better mousetrap to keep up with the competition but the order and delivery issues they have now are not doing the blue oval well at all. Lots of folks turned off by not being able to get a $90k truck outfitted with what they want. JMO
screw 25, refine the build process until 29 or 30 and maybe do a face lift in 26 or 27 but keep using as many same parts as possible, including body panels. If they are complaining about cost to build, no easier way to reduce cost than not retool body parts every 3 years and spread the R&D + set up cost over more production years. That's what Ram has been doing and that's how they can undercut Ford by 8-10k consistently, labor cost saving from building in Mexico is only a part of it. The interior is a new one for SD in 23 and it is a good one, spread out the cost and use it for more than a few years before ripping it out and start all over.
Get a PTO truck and add a generator to it. BingoBangoBoingo, you got your generator. But seriously, you can power a lot more with a portable using a lot less fuel than the truck powered generator.
I’m thrilled to have the 2k onboard. I RV. Handy to have it with you without taking bed space for my 3500 gas inverter plus two 5 gallon jugs of fuel. Space and weight it helps. If it rains I need to refuel in the rain and cover the portable.
I have 1 15,000 btu AC with the SoftStart. What an awesome product that is. I got it so when I moochdock at friends houses I can run AC and not worry I might trip their breakers. I’m doubtful the 2k will run my AC even with the SoftStart (but I will try it with everything else off) but 2k will run everything else for a weekend boondock run and to charge the RV batteries.
For me the built in Genny is awesome….although 3k would be best so I could run my RV AC too. So handy to know it’s always there. My goal is never own an electric vehicle of any type so the 7kw is not an option for me.
We’ve come a long way from a 3 speed stick shift roll up window truck with high beam button on the floor, an AM radio and no clock. I for one enjoy every new fanged toy on our vehicles.
I would LOVE to have Blue Cruise available on a Super Duty. We have basic autopilot on the Tesla and you can’t believe how less tired you are at the end of the trip.
I’m sure I’m missing some things but my perfect truck at a minimum would have:
heads up display
adaptive cruise with lane keeping
massaging and heated/cooled seats
adaptive steering
on board generator
LED headlights with auto leveling
blind spot monitoring
power running boards
phone or Apple Watch as a key so I don’t have to carry a fob
automatic door locking when you walk away
speed sign recognition on cruise
automatic headlights
automatic high beams
automatic windshield wipers
power windows w/automatic close when rain detected
automatic level control air bags
power tailgate up and down
tailgate steps
connected satellite Nav with traffic and weather,
You forgot cup holders. There were no cup holders when the dimmer switch was on the floor.....just sayin.....Also, remember when all vehicles told you what you were in, i.e. Galaxy, Thunderbird, etc? Do you remember chrome horn rims...
Why is it that you enjoy attacking me?
another requirement.