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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 09:23 PM
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Unhappy Engine Won't Turn Over After Timing Chain Replacement

Any ideas what I might have done wrong? This was my first time doing a timing chain replacement. I also replaced the water pump and timing chain cover, but that seems irrelevant.

Now, with a breaker bar and all my strength, I cannot turn the engine, not even a bit. Also, the starter just clicks once when I try it.

I really hope I did not accidentally rotate the cam- or crankshaft without noticing, and am now hitting a valve ... is there any other explanation why it might not turn over? What might I have done wrong?

I guess I'll have to take it all apart and have a look what might be going on anyways, but if anyone has an idea what it might be to calm my nerves ...

Thanks in advance,
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Edit: I forgot in my frustration; It's a 302 engine.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 09:40 PM
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Going through my photos ... Is the crank sprocket on the wrong way around in this photo?


 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 10:29 PM
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Man, i can not tell very well.. but it lools like the crank and cam gears are backwards.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 10:29 PM
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I don't see the alignment dots on the teeth, even thou you got the keys in the right spot. So I'm guessing the gear set is in backwards and the cam gear is pinched against the cam-retainer plate.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 10:51 PM
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Did you line up the old timing set as in the above photo before taking it off?
 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 10:55 PM
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Conanski, yes I did. I did not turn the shafts with the chain off either.

Mudsport96, Prototypemech, thanks for confirming my suspicion. I'm thinking it almost must be that.

If I put it in there the wrong way and tightened the harmonic balancer on there really tight, do you think I broke anything?

This is a really really dumb mistake but I guess that's part of learning.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2023 | 11:03 PM
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It's possible you may have tweeked the chain by cranking down on the harmonic balancer bolt. When you take it apart, place it on a flat surface in a circle and see if there's any gaps between the surface and the chain.
timing chain sets are cheap; replace it if it's suspicious.
Btw, stock 302s are non interference engines. The pistons can't hit the valves.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2023 | 12:32 AM
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I will do that. Thanks for the info on non-interference engines, good to know.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2023 | 06:12 AM
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The parts are tough but you will want to check them on a flat plate. (I would inspect the #1 main cap (bent bolts) and possibly replace the timing set) (again)
It sure looks like they were assembled wrong side out
The dots?
His lower crank gear is bound up with the number 1 main cap IMO (that lower gear is supposed to have the flange butt up against the crank)
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Old May 6, 2023 | 06:28 PM
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If anyone is curious about what carnage this dumb action caused, see photo:


Teeth missing from crank sprocket, cam thrust plate obliterated, and if you zoom in you can see two links of the chain really bent too.

I had already ordered a new timing set. An AutoZone about an hour from me has the camshaft thrust plate, and I'm heading out there now.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 02:05 AM
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Yeah, looks like you found your problem! Hopefully that's all that got hurt.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 07:39 AM
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If anyone is curious about what carnage this dumb action caused, see photo:


Teeth missing from crank sprocket, cam thrust plate obliterated, and if you zoom in you can see two links of the chain really bent too.

I had already ordered a new timing set. An AutoZone about an hour from me has the camshaft thrust plate, and I'm heading out there now.
yep all in the process of learning, been there before. And as for learning, i learned something today myself

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Btw, stock 302s are non interference engines. The pistons can't hit the valves.
I had no idea this was true till today. You actually made me go back through my pictures because i was convinced i had bent pushrod pictures from a scattered 302. And in fact they are all straight. Now I am not afraid of my 320k mile timing chain letting go lol.


 
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We all make mistakes
Fingers crossed and off to the wrecking yard for cheap parts
Good luck
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Remember or see post 9, where I said to check the front main cap and make sure the bolts are not bent and the cap not mis aligned.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 08:41 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like the cam sprocket is on backwards also (or I'm so blind I don't see the alignment dot).
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mlanoux
Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like the cam sprocket is on backwards also (or I'm so blind I don't see the alignment dot).
That is exactly what happened, he is replacing it all again now
 
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