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Originally posted by Phat02
By the way, off road and on road diesel is NOT the same, it is never put in the same tank. Trust me, check my profile under occupation.
By the way, off road and on road diesel is NOT the same, it is never put in the same tank. Trust me, check my profile under occupation.
Not that I am supporting using red dye as a on road fuel, but, it is the same as on road clear diesel, the only difference is the dye.
My occupation? 16 years petroluem transportation.
on edit: be nice though if I could actually spell petroleum
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I feel compelled to make a comment..
My best friend in TN is often in my office, and reads a lot of the posts on this site, and a couple of others where I roam from time to time.. He is a very dedicated Law Enforcement Officer, whose eyebrows raised when he read this post. I don't think he will do anything about anything he reads, but he may do, so if you must talk about things that are illegal, PLEASE remember 1) conspiracy laws.... and 2) the State Trooper who oft times visits me and sees the computer screen..
Theo
My best friend in TN is often in my office, and reads a lot of the posts on this site, and a couple of others where I roam from time to time.. He is a very dedicated Law Enforcement Officer, whose eyebrows raised when he read this post. I don't think he will do anything about anything he reads, but he may do, so if you must talk about things that are illegal, PLEASE remember 1) conspiracy laws.... and 2) the State Trooper who oft times visits me and sees the computer screen..
Theo
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From: Scenic Wisconsin
Phat02 is correct in theory, off-road diesel is allowed a higher sulfur level than the on-road stuff. As a practical matter, however, petroleum distributors rarely (if ever) inventory a separate product for each use because there is no benefit for them.
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Originally posted by celldude
I feel it necessary to justify my question. I completely support farmers having access to tax free fuel. The question stems from this. As a contractor I have 100gallon tank in the back(colored fuel) and sometimes and end up running on fumes when i'm in the middle of nowhere and was just wondering if a few gallons to get me to the next truck stop would end up costing me a fortune in repairs.
In no way would I cheat the system. It just seems crazy to walk 10miles when I have fuel on board with me.
Cheers,
I feel it necessary to justify my question. I completely support farmers having access to tax free fuel. The question stems from this. As a contractor I have 100gallon tank in the back(colored fuel) and sometimes and end up running on fumes when i'm in the middle of nowhere and was just wondering if a few gallons to get me to the next truck stop would end up costing me a fortune in repairs.
In no way would I cheat the system. It just seems crazy to walk 10miles when I have fuel on board with me.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by theologian
I feel compelled to make a comment..
He is a very dedicated Law Enforcement Officer, whose eyebrows raised when he read this post.
Theo
I feel compelled to make a comment..
He is a very dedicated Law Enforcement Officer, whose eyebrows raised when he read this post.
Theo
Here is another interesting fact, this subject falls under the jurisdiction of the IRS.
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From: Idaho
You might want to be careful also if you take your PSD in to get serviced or repairs done under warranty, you might be risking your warranty just for using the dyed stuff, as well as being reported to the authorities 
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I have been told this is very possible and very real, cause I have asked that same question. Just my .02 cents.
.I have been told this is very possible and very real, cause I have asked that same question. Just my .02 cents.
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I sit behind a desk designing truck loading racks for many of the major oil co's. THERE IS NO DIFFRENCE BETWEEN THE RED DYED STUFF AN THE NON RED STUFF EXCEPT FOR RED DYE. Now to add confusion there is both a high and low sulphur diesel. Depending on where you live ie:big city vs small town and whether it is summer or winter there are "area" EPA laws that dictate which type of fuel that area would get at a specific time.
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Guys, Once again this question was intended to see if there would be damage to the PSD if in an emergency situation if I put in a gallon or so just to get me back to the fueling station.
Just a thought - if the officer was with me and we ran out of fuel would he/she walk 10miles there and back with a gerry can or would they say - just put in enough to get us back to town? Sorry guys but I guess were on a whole new subject now.
Cheers!!!
P.S. Once again - this question was to see if I would damage the engine/sensor for a gallon or two - NOT to see if we could find a way to cheat the system.
Just a thought - if the officer was with me and we ran out of fuel would he/she walk 10miles there and back with a gerry can or would they say - just put in enough to get us back to town? Sorry guys but I guess were on a whole new subject now.
Cheers!!!
P.S. Once again - this question was to see if I would damage the engine/sensor for a gallon or two - NOT to see if we could find a way to cheat the system.
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From: Scenic Wisconsin
It does make for interesting conversation, though. 
Red Boat - there are 2 different reasons off-road diesel is dyed. One is for the IRS as was pointed out in another post. The second is to identify "high sulfur diesel fuel" for the EPA. This is from the EPA's website:
In section 211(g) and 211(i) of the Clean Air Act (Act), Congress mandated that diesel fuel used in motor vehicles ("highway diesel fuel") must meet certain quality standards, including a limitation on sulfur content. The Act required EPA to promulgate and enforce a rule to implement the statutory requirements. The Act specifically provides that EPA may require that high sulfur diesel fuel ("off-road diesel fuel") be dyed to aid in keeping the fuels segregated. The dye allows parties in the fuel distribution chain and the EPA to readily detect whether fuel is high sulfur diesel or low sulfur diesel. Because of an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) requirement that certain tax-exempt low sulfur diesel fuel also be dyed (see further explanation in 2(a) below), EPA, in its rule, required parties who transfer dyed low sulfur highway diesel fuel to include a notice on the customary business transfer document that states the product is tax-exempt fuel that meets EPA highway diesel fuel standards. This allows EPA and parties in the distribution chain to make use of the EPA dye requirement despite the IRS requirement that would otherwise make the presence of dye ambiguous in meaning for EPA purposes. Approximately 2,000 facilities, generally diesel fuel terminals, dye tax-exempt low sulfur diesel fuel and have it distributed via approximately 8,000 truck carriers to approximately 10,000 wholesale purchaser-consumer end users. It is estimated that each facility dyes about 200 batches of highway diesel fuel annually.
As a practical matter, fuel jobbers don't bother inventorying both high and low sulfur fuels, but they could.
Hope this clears things up.
Red Boat - there are 2 different reasons off-road diesel is dyed. One is for the IRS as was pointed out in another post. The second is to identify "high sulfur diesel fuel" for the EPA. This is from the EPA's website:
In section 211(g) and 211(i) of the Clean Air Act (Act), Congress mandated that diesel fuel used in motor vehicles ("highway diesel fuel") must meet certain quality standards, including a limitation on sulfur content. The Act required EPA to promulgate and enforce a rule to implement the statutory requirements. The Act specifically provides that EPA may require that high sulfur diesel fuel ("off-road diesel fuel") be dyed to aid in keeping the fuels segregated. The dye allows parties in the fuel distribution chain and the EPA to readily detect whether fuel is high sulfur diesel or low sulfur diesel. Because of an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) requirement that certain tax-exempt low sulfur diesel fuel also be dyed (see further explanation in 2(a) below), EPA, in its rule, required parties who transfer dyed low sulfur highway diesel fuel to include a notice on the customary business transfer document that states the product is tax-exempt fuel that meets EPA highway diesel fuel standards. This allows EPA and parties in the distribution chain to make use of the EPA dye requirement despite the IRS requirement that would otherwise make the presence of dye ambiguous in meaning for EPA purposes. Approximately 2,000 facilities, generally diesel fuel terminals, dye tax-exempt low sulfur diesel fuel and have it distributed via approximately 8,000 truck carriers to approximately 10,000 wholesale purchaser-consumer end users. It is estimated that each facility dyes about 200 batches of highway diesel fuel annually.
As a practical matter, fuel jobbers don't bother inventorying both high and low sulfur fuels, but they could.
Hope this clears things up.
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Sorry about that Cell Dude, I think the bottom line is the red stuff is the same with the exception of the dye and a little more sulfer and therfore will not hurt your diesel, but it might be wise to carry an extra 5 gallons or whatever of the regular diesel, just to avoid any potential problems that may or may not happen with the law .
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Last edited by elkslayer1; Nov 19, 2003 at 10:17 AM.
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Not a problem! thanks for answering my question!
QUOTE]I think the bottom line is the red stuff is the same with the exception of the dye and a little more sulfer and therfore will not hurt your diesel[/QUOTE]
thanks for all the info and I think I'll start carrying that extra 5 gallons
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Now getting back to "would the officer walk..."
Sorry just couldn't risist
QUOTE]I think the bottom line is the red stuff is the same with the exception of the dye and a little more sulfer and therfore will not hurt your diesel[/QUOTE]
thanks for all the info and I think I'll start carrying that extra 5 gallons
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Now getting back to "would the officer walk..."
Sorry just couldn't risist