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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 12:48 PM
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Hi y'all, I have a one owner, 2008 Ford F450 Super Duty dually, 80,500 actual miles, with a tow package and a 6.0L diesel engine. I know there was problem with the 6.0L diesel engine and mine was repaired in 2014 at approximately 50,000 miles. The Ford dealership that repaired it is no longer in business. I contacted Ford Motor Company, the dealership that repaired it did not enter any of the information into the Ford Motor Company database or into Carfax. I thought I saved the receipt but apparently, I thought wrong. I would like to sell it but since I can't prove the repairs... I know its distressing to potential buyers and no they don't wanna trust me. Do y'all have any suggestions?
 
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 07:14 PM
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Are you sure its a 2008 or a 6.0?
2008 would probably be a 6.4
6.0 would likely be a 2007 at the latest. I could be wrong.
what fixes were done? If it is a 6.0, The newer egr cooler had a blue coupling on it. Usually techs put zip ties on the fuel lines to keep the nuts from sliding down, they dont usually cut them off. I wonder if it has head studs. They have a 12 point nut instead of the factory 6 point.
I feel like there are a few more nuggets that elude me.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 07:41 PM
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I am sure its a 2008, that my husband and I purchased new. I am told by mechanics that its a 6.0, but I can double check. The problem is i don't know what fixes were done. I do know when they fixed it, it was on the rack with the cab off the chassis and the engine was torn apart in small pieces and the lower turbo charger was replaced. Let me just say, my knowledge of engines and fixes is limited. I had to take home ec in high school and not shop! I wish i knew how to answer your questions cause i would love to hear more about these nuggets.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 07:52 PM
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6.0s are a single turbo up top. Post up a motor pic if you're not sure
 
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 07:54 PM
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I double checked - per its VIN it is a 2008 Ford F450 Super Duty P/U 2W/D 8 Cylinder R 6.4 L Turbo diesel OHV390 CID. So folks telling me it is a 6.0 are wrong.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wardog96
I double checked - per its VIN it is a 2008 Ford F450 Super Duty P/U 2W/D 8 Cylinder R 6.4 L Turbo diesel OHV390 CID. So folks telling me it is a 6.0 are wrong.
I was going to say, the 6.0 was definitely discontinued in 2007 and replaced in 2008 with the 6.4.

If you can tell us what was repaired or what the problem was, we could likely tell you what to look for to confirm the repairs.

If the work was done at the Ford dealership at 50k miles, chances are they used all Ford components to repair it. If the dealer didn't enter any information into Ford's database, it's no real surprise they're out of business.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 12:18 PM
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The problem is that I don't know what repairs were done. I am not a mechanical minded person. I know that the dealer said this was a known issue and they weren't surprised by what they found. The next time I saw the truck the cab was off the chassis and the engine was torn apart. Later when they had it all put back together it was discovered that the lower turbo wasn't working, So a new turbo was put on. I know that I paid out of pocket about $7,000 for the repairs, as the truck was out of warranty. The truck is a 2008, it was repaired in 2014 at about 50K miles. It now has 80,500 actual miles on it and I have not had any additional issues with the truck. From what I have read on line there may be some differences in bolts (?) when they put it back together but I don't know what to look for or if I can even see it. I would love to have a Ford guy look at it to see what they can see but I don't want to take it to my local Ford dealer.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 01:24 PM
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6.4. I'm out. I stick to 6.0s and 5.4s.

stick it up forsale. Anyone buying it will probably be knowledgeable on them. Let them decide for themselves if it's up to their standards or not. Just say it is low km and everything works as it should.

where are you located?
 
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 04:15 PM
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I've put it up for sale all I have been receiving in VERY low ball offers. I have my suspicions as to why they are so low ball and they have nothing to do with the engine. Per my research NADA suggests $25K. BTW I am in Arkansas.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 06:30 PM
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I've put it up for sale all I have been receiving in VERY low ball offers. I have my suspicions as to why they are so low ball and they have nothing to do with the engine. Per my research NADA suggests $25K. BTW I am in Arkansas.
You're getting low ball offers because the 6.4 is one of the worst (if not the outright worst) diesel engine ever put into a mass produced vehicle. They're failure prone and expensive to repair when they do fail. Do just a few quick google searches about them, its not exactly a secret how bad they are.

NADA/ KBB values aren't the best for diesel trucks or other specialty type vehicles. For example, search up a 96-97 Dodge ram diesel on NADA/ KBB and see what it says they're worth, then look at the prices those things are actually selling for and you'll see a HUGE difference. Those old, high mileage, beat down trucks are selling for stupid money because they have one of the longest lasting / most reliable diesel engines ever put in a production vehicle in them (the trucks themselves are kinda crap, but the engines are great), and the buyers know that too, so the price is higher.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wardog96
I've put it up for sale all I have been receiving in VERY low ball offers. I have my suspicions as to why they are so low ball and they have nothing to do with the engine. Per my research NADA suggests $25K. BTW I am in Arkansas.

Partly the lowball offers are due to the engine but a lot of people will lowball just to see how desperate you are to sell. However the 6.4s are problematic and very expensive to repair when they break so you’re not gonna get top dollar. . A 7.3 diesel can sell for more than a 6.4. I had a guy who flat out said he will trade me straight up his 09 6.4 crew cab lariat for my 99 extended cab 7.3 lariat. And he wasn’t joking.

a buddy had a 6.4 and the motor blew. He said the quoted repair was 12,000. He let the truck get repossessed.

 
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 05:20 AM
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Search youtube for bill hewitt 6.4.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wardog96
I've put it up for sale all I have been receiving in VERY low ball offers. I have my suspicions as to why they are so low ball and they have nothing to do with the engine. Per my research NADA suggests $25K. BTW I am in Arkansas.
As other have said the engine is indeed the reason for very low offers. Dont beat yourself up over trying to prove repairs, just list the truck and only deal with offers in person. Be well aware though that you dont have a lower mileage gem, but instead the most problematic diesel engine offered in a Ford pickup.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wardog96
The problem is that I don't know what repairs were done. I am not a mechanical minded person. I know that the dealer said this was a known issue and they weren't surprised by what they found. The next time I saw the truck the cab was off the chassis and the engine was torn apart. Later when they had it all put back together it was discovered that the lower turbo wasn't working, So a new turbo was put on. I know that I paid out of pocket about $7,000 for the repairs, as the truck was out of warranty. The truck is a 2008, it was repaired in 2014 at about 50K miles. It now has 80,500 actual miles on it and I have not had any additional issues with the truck. From what I have read on line there may be some differences in bolts (?) when they put it back together but I don't know what to look for or if I can even see it. I would love to have a Ford guy look at it to see what they can see but I don't want to take it to my local Ford dealer.
I actually can't think of what repair that may have been, aside from a new turbo pack, which doesn't actually require the body to be raised unless the shop is billing 'by the book.' Regardless if it's just a new turbo pack then there's not really a 'proof of repair' because everything still looks the same.

And the 6.4 has the absolute worst reputation in the diesel world. Hands down, no questions asked. That said, if it's been cared for and you can prove you've cared for it, it can still be a good reliable motor in stock form. I know this first hand, because my dad bought brand new in 2008 an F450, and has daily driven it ever since. His biggest issues have been the radiator (the design of it tends to let the tanks crack and it develops a leak), one under-warranty issue with the turbo pack (I don't recall what specifically, but it's how I know the turbos can be replaced without lifting the body), and that pesky Midwest Rust. Otherwise it's been a steady, dependable truck...but he never made any modifications to it, no aftermarket parts, never drives it over 65 mph, and gets the oil changed with full synthetic every 5k miles. It doesn't have any issue hauling his 12.5' truck camper or their 43' fifth wheel.

My point is, yes, you're going to get low-ball offers on it because of the 6.4. But if it's still running good and in good shape, you might be better off to just keep it and keep driving it if you don't NEED to get rid of it.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 10:23 AM
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You'll get lowball offers regardless of what you sell. It isn't personal. It's just the nature of our society. Tell them no and ask them politely if they are going to make a reasonable offer
 
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