Actually the recalls do. Recent recalls with the 4xe Grand Cherokee and Wrangler have been introduced because of driveability when it goes between hybrid mode and gas engine mode, and other harsh shifting characteristics.

And shouldnt this thread be moved to the Ford vs The Competition sub-forum and not the Lightning?

 

I'm a former die-hard Ford guy who converted to Chrysler brands about 25 years ago. But I have to say, that Ram REV reveal was a disaster. They didn't give ANY details or specs whatsoever, after a full year of making fans and potential customers wait. They even have a place on the site where interested people can sign up for updates and to be a part of the group who directs the future of this truck...and still they come out and reveal the trucks answering ZERO questions people have about it. Just a train wreck.

Bottom line is, none of these BEV pickups are going to be practical in the future, because cost and electricity supply won't allow them to be practical.

 

Well, I’m personally not worried about details unless this offering looks more like an actual Ram. Ford generally did that part right, aside from the cheap looking front end. The GM offering looks like an Avalanche and one of their unibody SUVs procreated. No dice there.

 

For starters it's a concept truck. Most concept vehicles are completely different than the production, see the F150 Atlas compared to the 2015 model year. I had to read about some of the things at work, apparently Shadow mode is kind of interesting, at the same time just a novelty. I mean who wants their truck to follow them around at a jobsite to pick up stuff?

I have higher hopes for hydrogen engine and fuel cells. Until a better battery offering comes out that isn't dependent on lithium, I'll take anything else as an alternative.

 

Just watched their opening at the NY auto show on streaming this morning and the specs they talked about blow all of the competition away. 350 mile range standard battery, 500 mile range optional battery and that does not include the supposed xr enhancement they talked about being a gas generator range extender. 800v architecture, 2700 lbs cargo capacity, 14k lbs towing etc....

They also reopened reservations to buy them. https://www.ramtrucks.com/revolution/ram-1500-rev.html

 

Exciting to have options, when are they going to start customer deliveries? You'd hope they'd beat the specs on the Lightning considering that truck came out two years earlier....

 

According to their web site, Q4 2024.

 

Bail out and leadership failure or not, Ford better get their sh|t together in the next couple of years or they will be left in the cold.

Source: https://www.engadget.com/ram-1500-re...180324028.html

 

Looks like RAM made another shot across Fords bow...

 

I saw the details earlier, and I’m excited about them. This is an unmitigated win for anyone interested in electric pickup trucks. The wild card is going to be price, and it’s tough to imagine they would be able to produce a truck with batteries that big at a price comparable to the current-gen Lightning. I hope they prove me wrong.

Oh, I dunno. The big thing working against the Lightning is their current pricing structure. Tesla raised the price of their Model Y by $17K from 2020-2021, which turned it from an outstanding choice to wholly uncompetitive with others. Then tax credits and competition happened, and prices dropped $13K in a few short weeks, turning it into a fantastic value.

If GM holds the line on pricing and Ram comes to market at similar levels, there’s zero chance Ford will be selling base-model lightnings for $60K. These competitors will also heavily influence the next-generation Lightning that’s due to market a few months after the Ram arrives.

I feel like I’m an optimist in a room full of pessimists. The new Ram and Silverado look great. The Lightning is also great, but must be sold at lower cost to compete for my business. No matter how you look at things, I don’t see how this isn’t amazing news all around. Brand loyalty is a fool’s errand, let’s let them compete for our business and we win in the end.

 

That price reckoning for Ford might be coming sooner rather than later. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen Lightnings offered at MSRP, presumably after their ordering customer backed out.

 

I've always loved the Dodge body styles of cars and trucks over the years. Much better than Gm and Ford and have owned a couple Dodge trucks a couple lifetimes ago and swore up and down I'd never own another one, (had problems with both).

Then I saw the Ram ev and my thought process went out the window, I'm now looking very hard at it and I've even warmed up a tiny bit to the Cybertruck, not to the point I'd buy one right now if it was possible but it's in the back of my mind where it was never a second thought before.

I'd park that Ram in my driveway tomorrow if possible. I had been a Ford fanboy since the early 90's when I started work at a Ford dealer, not any more. Whomever brings what I want at a price point I can be comfortable with wins my business.

 

I could not agree more...

 

You hook 14k up to that and I'm fairly confident you will not be making it 350 miles. Maybe 100 miles on a good day going downhill with a tailwind.
But what do I know, I still drive a dinosaur

 

Doesn't matter to me, I don't tow anything.