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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 10:04 PM
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No worries. He isn't prohibited from running for the same position again, as the panel that removed him is not empowered to ban him from holding office. He also knew this, as there is a precedent where a judge was removed for cause (fraud) and re-elected afterwards.
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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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I am a devout athiest but I hold no animosity toward any religious group. I am glad however that we have an underlying code to our law. When the country was founded, Christianity just happened to be the most prevalent concept to our founding fathers. I am thankfull that they did have the forethought to put a system of control that would keep any one religion from taking control of the country. One could look to the Catholic church for examples in religion userping power away from the established goverments of Europe in the Dark & Middle ages. There have been plenty more religions that have accomplished the same type of thing.

However, this fence has more than 2 sides. Lady justice is supposed to be blind. How would you feel if it was the Code of Hamurabi on the monument. An eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth, does not bode well in our society.

Each person has the right to expect justice to be unbias toward their case. The foundation of our law is in the commandments. And our judicial law has been built on that foundation. It is not unlike a house. But how many times do you look at a house and say "what a beautiful foundation?"

To be equitable to all people let's keep lady justice blind and impartial.

Either all religious morals should be on display or none at all.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 02:59 AM
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I am not up to speed on this issue, but am I to understand that a California judge issued the ruling? As an Alaskan and a fiercly independant person sometimes we kneejerk a little when yet another Califonian pokes his nose into issues of another state. It seems sometimes that they don't have enough business of their own and have to poke their noses into other peoples. I realize a very small number of the cause-oriented Hollywood types have given us this notion and brought the stigma on the other good folks of the state.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 10:59 AM
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He snuck the monument into the building in the middle of the night? Did I read that correctly?
Last I checked, you can't pull that kind of crap. Obviously he knew what he was doing was wrong, or he would have had a ceremony to garner publicity for himself. I am so happy to hear that they removed it, and I hope that they disbar him so he can't do something like this again. It's an abuse of power and he should pay.
I wish they had destroyed that monument with a sledgehammer, just to make a point. Also, who paid for the monument? Did a small group of people fund it, or was it paid for out of tax coffers?
If the taxpayers paid for it, then he should be made to pay for it, as well was for the removal, because you KNOW that tax dollars paid for that.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:11 PM
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He snuck the monument into the building in the middle of the night? Did I read that correctly?
Last I checked, you can't pull that kind of crap. Obviously he knew what he was doing was wrong, or he would have had a ceremony to garner publicity for himself. I am so happy to hear that they removed it, and I hope that they disbar him so he can't do something like this again. It's an abuse of power and he should pay.
I wish they had destroyed that monument with a sledgehammer, just to make a point. Also, who paid for the monument? Did a small group of people fund it, or was it paid for out of tax coffers?
If the taxpayers paid for it, then he should be made to pay for it, as well was for the removal, because you KNOW that tax dollars paid for that.
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I (believe it or not) haven't kept up to speed with the Alabama 10 commandments thing so I really don't know for sure what happened. If in fact he did "sneak it in" - what a shame that he had to sneak it in this day and age because there are so many people out there that whine at the first thought of the 10 Commandments or anything religious for that matter. It's a sad day that he actually had be careful about putting 10 rules he liked to live by on display for people to see.

WOW! How dare he put good rules up for people to see! IMO, this nation needs a pretty big change, and I for one can't wait 'till it gets here. America has lost so much maturity, integrity, and purpose over "religious issues" it's stinkin' ridiculous. I know we used to be free, but I guess that changed a looong time ago because someone somewhere figured they didn't like God. What a petty issue that our world has to make sooo big. Give me a break.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 01:18 PM
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I'm curious. How would you feel if the Ten Commandments monument was allowed to stay, but was joined by a shrine to Krishna, a monument to the Koran, a pedestal with a copy of the Book of Mormon on it, and a statue of Buddha?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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I'm curious. How would you feel if the Ten Commandments monument was allowed to stay, but was joined by a shrine to Krishna, a monument to the Koran, a pedestal with a copy of the Book of Mormon on it, and a statue of Buddha?
Hi zonkola,

That's what some communities are doing to combat the ongoing push by Christians to foist their religion on us. I wish I could remember the school district - I wanted to follow this closely - that when a small group of Christians placed the Ten Commandments in the hallway another group immediately sued the district to have the Atheist Manifesto displayed likewise on the same grounds - that it is a part of our history. Muslims were next with their sacred text, and so all three were on display. I'm sure the Christians were understanding, aren't you?
 

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 02:59 PM
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I think if it were up to me I would form a committee with members from all the major organized beliefs that want equal time. And then they could go over each others precepts, commandments, suggestions or whatever they call it, and leave out any references to any God, anything considered by the commitee to be immoral or indecent, and condense the rest. They would most likely all have pretty much the same manifesto at that point anyway. And as far as the occasional and errant loose cannon, ...well I can't say it, just deal with them.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 03:07 PM
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I think if it were up to me I would form a committee with members from all the major organized beliefs that want equal time. And then they could go over each others precepts, commandments, suggestions or whatever they call it, and leave out any references to any God, anything considered by the commitee to be immoral or indecent, and condense the rest. They would most likely all have pretty much the same manifesto at that point anyway. And as far as the occasional and errant loose cannon, ...well I can't say it, just deal with them.
Only problem is that the fundamentals of each religion is different enough that you couldn't get them to agree to much of anything. Just look how fractured the belief system is in the Christian church. You have hundreds of different denominations and some of them are still splitting into new sects.

Multiply this by all the other major religions with their fractures and you are now in the thousands, if not tens of thousands.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 03:32 PM
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...when a small group of Christians placed the Ten Commandments in the hallway another group immediately sued the district to have the Atheist Manifesto displayed likewise on the same grounds - that it is a part of our history. Muslims were next with their sacred text, and so all three were on display. I'm sure the Christians were understanding, aren't you?
I'm sure they were. Perhaps some of our Christian members could confirm this?

I guess the downside to this approach is that every courthouse in the country would eventually end up housing a large museum of religious artifacts and history representing every religion ranging from Catholicism to Hinduism to the Branch Davidians. All supported by our tax dollars, of course.

Hey, here's a question that no one seems to be asking: Why wasn't Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore all fired up and passionate about putting a monument to the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the courthouse? It would appear to be more on-point, given his job description...
 

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 04:40 PM
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Jflower, I did say major groups, not denominations or factions. I would think that the seven or eight major belief systems of the world would do. Also it was more of a rhetorical comment than a serious one, Meaning that at the heart of most major belief systems if you leave out their God is treating other people right.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 01:29 AM
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All I have to add is Judge Moore acted foolishly...discretion is the better part of valor.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 03:40 AM
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If laws are to protect other people, I have to wonder who the victim was. Who did this guy harm? So what if you aren't a Christian, get over it. It didn't diminish your life in any way did it? I am a Christian, and not just a label. I prayerfully seek God every day. I would not have made this big fuss if the guy wanted to display Zen coans(sp?). Face it, you live in a Judeo-Christian based country. The few inconveniences of that are far out weighed by the general precepts of being a society that is based on Jesus who really just wants you to love everyone and pay attention to Him (so you can love everyone). I will stand up for Him until I die and I also defend Him and offer Him to any who are in need. Cram Him down your throat?-never, we can see that doesn't work in modern society. As a Christian you are supposed to see Jesus reflected in my life. That is supposed to be a greater witness than all the words I can muster. I can't pound Him into your heart with stone tablets if your heart isn't receptive.
Should the guy have put up the ten commandments? I don't think so. I only know what I have read here, but it sounds like the guy was way off base all the way through.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 07:33 AM
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"Political Play of the Week" CNN
Seems other observers agree with my view of his play.
I expect he has a chance at Governor.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by monckywrench
"Political Play of the Week" CNN
Seems other observers agree with my view of his play.
I expect he has a chance at Governor.
monckywrench,

I must say, astute observations on your part.
 
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