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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 09:10 AM
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Not saying this is your problem, but this is too high of a setting for a boost fooler. The MAP will only read 25 max and that’s about the defuel point I believe. Your boost fooler should be set to around 22psi.
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Too high. Set it to 18-20. The PCM doesn't care past 12-13 anyway - it "fuels" the same after that.
OK, I will do that. With the regulator mounted under the hood I set/test it using compressed air.

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Return it to stock time and see if problem persists.
With the Super Chip set to stock the truck is a drag to drive with notably less power throughout the range. I'll set it to stock, make the run again and see what happens with regards to boost and ICP.

Is it possible I'm looking at a bad MAP sensor?
 
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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
It could be a tired HPOP. I had one gradually make less and less PSI until it would get down to 1100psi with sustained throttle. I literally got passed by an old VW bus going up the mountain one day...
Thanks for the laugh.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomkat07
OK, I will do that. With the regulator mounted under the hood I set/test it using compressed air.



With the Super Chip set to stock the truck is a drag to drive with notably less power throughout the range. I'll set it to stock, make the run again and see what happens with regards to boost and ICP.

Is it possible I'm looking at a bad MAP sensor?
You said you have an ICP code and the truck makes up to 25psi of boost, right?

Low ICP is either tuning (return to stock), injectors (air test) or HPOP (deadhead test).

on edit: low fuel pressure can also tank ICP. Check FP using water drain valve, 5/16” ID hose and any cheap 100psi gauge. Make hose long enough you can see it while driving. Open valve to see (pre-filter) fuel pressure.

This needs to be done anyway, but I see more and more failed FPR’s these days...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...poon-mods.html
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
You said you have an ICP code and the truck makes up to 25psi of boost, right?

Low ICP is either tuning (return to stock), injectors (air test) or HPOP (deadhead test).

on edit: low fuel pressure can also tank ICP. Check FP using water drain valve, 5/16” ID hose and any cheap 100psi gauge. Make hose long enough you can see it while driving. Open valve to see (pre-filter) fuel pressure.

This needs to be done anyway, but I see more and more failed FPR’s these days...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...poon-mods.html
Yes, truck will make up to around 25 PSI boost at WOT but it falls off to 20 or so at that point.

FPR rebuilt and replaced the fuel pump when I did the Hutch and Harpoon mods a couple months ago. Idle fuel pressure went from 40 PSI to 65, and hard acceleration from 30 PSI to about 50.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 06:28 PM
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Well, we are definitely narrowing it down!!
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 10:24 PM
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You said the IPR only reaches 44% at WOT?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandonpdx
You said the IPR only reaches 44% at WOT?
Correct. about 43-44% at WOT.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomkat07
Correct. about 43-44% at WOT.
Is that ‘sustained WOT’ or just a burst??

It would be really odd if IPR DC doesn’t go higher than that with WOT for longer than a few secs if ICP is dropping.....
 
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Whoms tuning are you running?
 
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Whoms tuning are you running?
Stupidchips.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ESwift
Whoms tuning are you running?
Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
Stupidchips.
It's what the PO put in the truck. I'd like a Hydra.
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Is that ‘sustained WOT’ or just a burst??
It would be really odd if IPR DC doesn’t go higher than that with WOT for longer than a few secs if ICP is dropping.....
That is for just a short 3-8 second WOT run. There isn't enough room in my local area for more without risk. Next time I'm out of the highway I'll give it a longer run.

Is there risk of damage with sustained WOT after the SES light comes on?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomkat07
Correct. about 43-44% at WOT.
I was under the impression they are supposed to read up to 65%. On my edge Insight it will show up to that (okay 64.8 to be exact) if I keep the throttle pinned on a long pull. IPR valves are common trouble spots. Never been an issue on mine but that's the rumor.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomkat07
It's what the PO put in the truck. I'd like a Hydra.

That is for just a short 3-8 second WOT run. There isn't enough room in my local area for more without risk. Next time I'm out of the highway I'll give it a longer run.

Is there risk of damage with sustained WOT after the SES light comes on?
Originally Posted by Brandonpdx
I was under the impression they are supposed to read up to 65%. On my edge Insight it will show up to that (okay 64.8 to be exact) if I keep the throttle pinned on a long pull. IPR valves are common trouble spots. Never been an issue on mine but that's the rumor.
I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings about the tunes, they are just infamous for high IPR DC and other ‘quirks’.

I suspect DC will be maxed out under sustained WOT. It can say 90% or more, but 65% or so is ‘maxed out’.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SkySkiJason
I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings about the tunes, they are just infamous for high IPR DC and other ‘quirks’.

I suspect DC will be maxed out under sustained WOT. It can say 90% or more, but 65% or so is ‘maxed out’.
My feelings aren't hurt, a guy's got to go a lot further to make that happen; lots of Dodge guys in my area...
I knew Super Chips was crap one week after I bought the truck and looked it up. Truck runs better with that chip in it than stock.

Next money spent on it will be for fuel and HPOP pressure gauges, then likely a Hydra. However, this spring I need to remove the bed and perform rust abatement on the frame, so I need to get a beater to drive while the truck's laid up.

What are these "quirks" you speak of?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2022 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomkat07

What are these "quirks" you speak of?
Understand. It’s hard to go back to stock after having more power!!

Giving you 100% throttle at 50% pedal is my least favorite stupid trick.

They usually screw up shift strategy so transmission can’t decide what gear it wants under certain conditions.
 
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